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all right people I'm gonna make this

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show outlines up for auction I've

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mentioned before that I have a very

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strict routine for preparing for and

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into a roughly four to six page outline

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that I print out and conduct the

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interviews from as a template I write in

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material in these outlines that never

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and throw them in a filing cabinet well

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it's no secret I'm trying to move and

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what better time to try to collect a

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little extra cash and offload a box of

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stuff I've been storing that I don't

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need

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so I'm signing listing and auctioning

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off all the outlines I have to any

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listeners who might be interested in

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that kind of thing each one is totally

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else but I guess that's no big deal I

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scripts before and some of my most

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prized possessions are banned set lists

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I nabbed at the end of concerts so maybe

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if you're into it they will be listed at

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USR slash Higher Side chats the link is

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unfortunate presence in again the first

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batch of outlines will go up February

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1st and be listed for 10 days and I'm

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gonna continue to put up new batches as

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time permits when and where I can and I

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hope to have the whole thing completed

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in about six to eight weeks or so I

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guess I'm just out when I'm out but if

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there's a specific one you might want

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keep dipping in to see what's been added

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there's a good chance I haven't gotten

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it listed yet and a real chance I don't

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out thanks in advance to anyone who

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picks up a little piece of THC history

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and contributes to the carlwood family

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moving fund alright and that said in

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[Music]

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Here We Go Again Higher Side Chatters

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from Sunny San Diego I'm Greg carlwood

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and it's no secret that in the

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smartphone age we've become far more

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attached to these little black boxes

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than we ever would have guessed endless

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scrolling dopamine dripping little red

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notifications constant EMF exposure and

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delivery apps that encourage us to never

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leave the couch they're impressive

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little things but at what a cost stress

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anxiety depression and drug abuse are

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all at near record highs and we can't

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blame the smartphone alone the 24 7

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fear-based News cycle low-wage work bad

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diets poor education and general lack of

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fulfillment or proper guidance all have

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a role to play as well but broadly

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speaking taking a break from the world's

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constant input is something all of us

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could use more of and if we could make

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even a modest dent in the number of

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people supplementing their unhappiness

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with big pharma's latest offerings I'd

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say that's a beautiful thing which is

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exactly what today's guests Dr Justin

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Feinstein and Mandy are trying to do

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through their work with flotation

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therapy AKA sensory deprivation or rest

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data on flotation with me and it seemed

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only right to pass it along to you for

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the unfamiliar Dr Justin Feinstein is a

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clinical neuropsychologist and expert in

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the Neuroscience of fear with over 50

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peer-reviewed Publications in some of

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the top scientific journals who has been

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trailblazing A New Path forward for the

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treatment of anxiety stress PTSD and

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other sub-optimal states of being

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through flotation therapy he is now the

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president and director of the float

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research Collective a non-profit

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organization that is playing a pivotal

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role in establishing flotation as an

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accepted medical treatment and Mandy

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development for True rest the leading

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float therapy brand in the world who

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discovered float therapy right here in

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San Diego where the Navy Seals were

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using float pods as a holistic approach

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to PTSD and Muscle Recovery now through

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the franchise model she works to make

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float therapy an accessible and

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approachable therapy for all while

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helping people achieve their

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entrepreneurial dreams worthy goals all

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around let's get into it the holistic

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approach Advocates sensory deprivation

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supporters and flotation tank True

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Believers Justin and Mandy welcome to

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the higher side thank you Craig I think

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I told you I'm a huge fan of this

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podcast my boyfriend introduced me to it

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like two years ago and I don't think

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excited to share everything we got with

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it's great to have you Mandy that is a

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hell of an honor and this is going to be

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an interesting one I assume most people

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Feinstein I learned a lot more and

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there's some really intriguing research

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of this angle that it could make a

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serious Dent with what you refer to as

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the behemoths of bigfar Karma benzos and

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opioids which are clearly a massive

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problem so that's where the real value

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this option and its benefits but in the

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interest of leaving No Man Behind for

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the people who don't know a whole lot

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about this when you get into a flotation

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tank you are floating on 10 inches of

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water a thousand plus pounds of Epsom

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salt and you are cut off from the rest

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of the external world no sound no light

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no gravity and if you stay still enough

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temperature too and that's really the

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long and short of it for those who might

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still be unaware and let's start with Dr

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Feinstein but let them know if I missed

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any important details and talk to us

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about why you were so intrigued by this

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specific modality considering the range

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of options that are out there and the

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introduction Greg I would say that our

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society is at a very critical sort of

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transforming faster than the human

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species and we all have to face that we

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connectivity I could tell you with the

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Harm's Way There is clear data coming

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out showing that the smartphones are

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highly addictive and they are changing

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depression higher rates of Eating

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something gone awry and so when I

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it was really at the beginning of this

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sort of shift in society here we are a

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ways could be an antidote

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data we've published many studies and

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constant connectivity of modern society

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and not needing to self-medicate

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natural alternative that could really

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we are in and sometimes the solutions

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offered are no better or worse than the

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problems themselves which is just a

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terrible spiral and Mandy I would kind

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of ask the same of you I understand you

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flotation therapy when compared to

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working at the VA in San Diego and I was

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train and you being there in San Diego I

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think there might be something in the

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water out there that you know had this

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all interested in this topic but uh you

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know for me so there's actually no Navy

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they run down the beach and your friends

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parents you know go on deployments and

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your friends leave you know pretty much

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all throughout my childhood and so I had

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one family friend her dad was on

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multiple deployments and came back from

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one with his calf blown off and with

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some pretty obvious severe PTSD that you

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know did break up their family and you

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know had a lot of other really bad

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consequences and when my dad ran into

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him a few years later he after many many

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requests to have his leg amputated did

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not have his leg amputated and was doing

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a lot better and when we asked him what

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he was doing to heal himself his answer

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was float therapy on top of a couple

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other things and it turns out that that

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the Amphibious Base in Coronado they've

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got a couple float pods and they are

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putting these guys in there for anywhere

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from 30 minutes to four hours and at the

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time there was only like eight locations

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in all of North America where anyone in

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the public could go float and if the

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Navy Seals are doing it to us it's just

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extremely obvious that that is a

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validated therapy and why is it not

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available to the public

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audience will enjoy and we can dig into

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this maybe later but other than the just

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anecdotal evidence from our Navy SEAL

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friend I won't share his name there were

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a couple articles and videos online of

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these different people in the Navy

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higher up talking about how they were

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using float therapy to treat PTSD and

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for advanced language learning and a

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couple other things and of course as

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soon as I start talking about that video

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more it was taken down within like the

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first year and now those videos are

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nowhere to be found and the Navy doesn't

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want you to know that they're probably

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still doing it

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um so when we learned that it was that

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powerful for our veterans and we have a

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franchise background in my family it

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just made sense to start offering this

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to the public and I think the public has

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been very receptive to it obviously with

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our expansion across the U.S and now

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into Canada but I rely on people like

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Justin to give me the neuroscience and

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the actual research to tell everyone

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that yes you feel incredible but you

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know why does that happen and we're

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going to continue to do everything we

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can to help give people a non-addictive

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approach to pain relief relaxation and

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better sleep

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right on yeah the example of your

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friend's father is definitely a powerful

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one and I definitely wanted to get into

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the advanced language learning thing but

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while we're still setting this up what

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is the real scope of the possible

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benefits from this therapy for those who

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have serious problems in the stress

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anxiety PTSD realm and also for those

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who don't I mean as you said just living

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a life these days requires maybe a

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little bit of oomph in the relaxation

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department but talk to us about that

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range of benefits there's obviously a

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lot of claims but what do we know Justin

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you know when I got into float research

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about a decade ago there was really not

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much in terms of peer-reviewed

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Publications

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in patients with mental health issues

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who were floating

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you know there was anecdotal data as

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Mandy alluded to there were some

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peer-reviewed papers and healthy

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subjects

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but the clinical populations were

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missing and that's really what I tried

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to fill that void by studying patients

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with PTSD anxiety across the Spectrum

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and depression

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and my colleague Dr side Khalsa is also

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studying anorexia nervosa so we've kind

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of

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mental health issues and we tried to you

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know first address the question of

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safety you know when you have mental

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health issues is it safe to go into this

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environment are you going to have

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potentially adverse effects

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and this was really most of our initial

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studies was really focused on safety and

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now we're kind of in the middle of doing

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these sort of longer term clinical

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studies of what are the benefits from

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floating repeatedly

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but to me when you look at the effects

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of just a single float session I think

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by themselves they're pretty impressive

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I do think the practice has benefit

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with multiple sessions but that research

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is still being conducted we're

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conducting one of the first nih-funded

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clinical trials to look at that but the

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data is already out and published on the

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effects of what happens when you float

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and you have these conditions

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and what we're seeing is within an hour

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of entering the pool

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your stress levels dramatically reduce

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and your muscle tension interestingly

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dramatically reduces and to me I think a

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lot of mental health issues could be

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subconsciously or unconsciously driven

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by muscle tension and this is one of the

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few interventions that really almost

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immediately relaxes all of that muscle

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tension especially in the back around

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the spinal cord and the neck

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and on top of this reduction in Stress

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and Anxiety

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you get this very interesting sort of

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boost or lift in mood patients who are

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depressed are suddenly feeling a lot

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less of that depression they feel a

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sense of peace and calm and serenity

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in ways that they often reported

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post-float

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were

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completely novel to them you know a lot

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of these patients I was studying we kind

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of first went after some of the most

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severely impaired patients in that

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Spectrum

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and they had been suffering not just for

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years but for decades and the way a lot

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of them described it was it gave them

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this sort of really amazing reset

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and when we followed it up for a day or

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two it persevered

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it wasn't as strong on day one or two as

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it was you know immediately post-float

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but there was still this residue of calm

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of peace

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and the stress and anxiety Then would

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start sort of percolating back up maybe

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by day three or four there's individual

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variability but to me the fact that you

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go into this environment for a single

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hour

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and you take somebody who's been

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chronically anxious and depressed for

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years and suddenly and magically they're

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feeling a little bit better like their

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old self again

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and you didn't have to do anything the

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environment did all the work for them so

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we've now studied this and replicated

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that effect five different times

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it's a highly reliable reduction in what

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we call State anxiety

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on average about a 14 point reduction on

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the Spielberger State anxiety inventory

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from pre to post float and we found this

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in all of the different types of

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patients we studied

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it seems to be this really great

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environment for inducing a state of

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homeostasis in the nervous system

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and there's very few Technologies I'm

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aware of that could do that as rapidly

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and as effectively as floating

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and the other part I should mention is

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we did measure safety in all of these

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trials and we were not seeing Adverse

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Events we were worried about this I did

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a lot of things to try to make this as

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safe as possible we had an intercom

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system where we could communicate with

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the patients we were monitoring their

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Vital Signs we were ready to address any

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safety issues but they didn't come up

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[Music]

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so to me this is something incredible

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from a medical standpoint it's very rare

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to see something that could give such a

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reliable benefit and have so little

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downside

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and so with that that's why I started

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the non-profit the float research

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Collective the whole goal is to try to

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make the world more aware of these

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benefits and hopefully get the powers

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that be

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to start paying for this therapy so

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anybody could access it it's so simple

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it's so easy yet right now it's not as

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accessible as I would like it to be

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mm-hmm yes you make that point in one of

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your presentations that when it comes to

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the most vulnerable people who could

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benefit the most they often don't have

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the funds to do this out of pocket

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routinely

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and so if we could get insurance

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companies to recognize it and pay for it

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that would be a huge help for those most

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vulnerable people and I think anyone

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who's done this or knows a bit about it

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would look at it and be like well of

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course there's no negative effects

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you're just floating in this tank but of

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course with the vulnerable people you

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could induce Panic or claustrophobia

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these kinds of things which again it's

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kind of in your head but that's what

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we're dealing with is problems that

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exist in our head and I wanted to read

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this from one of your uh slides you say

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the challenges of the disengaged mind in

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11 studies we found that participants

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typically did not enjoy spending 6 to 15

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minutes in a room by themselves with

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nothing to do but think they enjoyed

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doing mundane external activities much

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more and actually many prefer to

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administer electric shocks to themselves

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instead of being alone with their own

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thoughts most people seem to prefer to

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be doing something rather than nothing

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even if that nothing is negative and

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obviously that's just kind of a comical

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realization from a study but how much of

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our mental problems arise from the fact

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that our culture doesn't really have a

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lot of respect or aptitude for

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meditation in some ways flotation seems

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like meditation on steroids or providing

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the opportunity to meditate but that's

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got to be a factor in why our culture

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has a lot of these problems right

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I couldn't agree more you know that's

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not from my study by the way that's

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Timothy Wilson this was a study that got

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published in a very prestigious Journal

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science right as I was building my

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laboratory my float Laboratory

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so you can imagine I'm seeing this study

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come out in the top Journal saying

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people can't spend 15 minutes alone with

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themselves without shocking themselves

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you know people hated to be by

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themselves in this it was really just

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sort of like a plain old room like an

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old Psychology office in the basement so

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not much stimulation but kind of very

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boring and obviously without their

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smartphones

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so I was worried I was concerned you

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know whether the patients could handle

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it a lot of the patients when I would

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say you could float in there for up to

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an hour or you could float in the pool

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for up to an hour and a half that was

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typically the two ranges of time that we

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looked at they would look at me and say

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you're nuts I'm going to go in there

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I'll be by myself for five minutes and

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then I am out of there

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they didn't think they could last five

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minutes in there

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and what's amazing to me is we just

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finished this NIH study and I could tell

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you guys this we haven't published it

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yet but when we left them to their own

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devices and said you flowed for as long

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as you want we're not going to tell you

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how long you could float for

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just float for as long as you want

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this same group of patients who

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originally didn't want to be in there

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for five minutes by themselves ended up

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spending 75 minutes on average

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her float

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so you know to me what this is telling

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me is we have a completely backward

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psychology about what happens when we're

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by ourselves with our own thoughts

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in a state where we're not

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immersed in this world around us

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and it turns out when we go internally

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there's this immense feeling of Peace

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but you have to do it in the right

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environment and what floating does is it

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tries to create that perfect environment

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I mean one thing you didn't talk about

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as much is we try to match the skin

552
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temperature

553
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:05,520
of the outside body

554
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:09,000
to both the water and the air

555
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:09,900
temperature

556
00:23:18,169 --> 00:23:16,559
and what that does is you don't have to

557
00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:18,179
thermoregulate

558
00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:20,940
you don't feel too hot or too cold it

559
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:22,679
feels perfect it's one of the few times

560
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:24,600
in life where your skin doesn't have to

561
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,080
thermoregulate and then suddenly

562
00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:30,480
you can't feel the boundaries between

563
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:33,720
air body and water and your body will

564
00:23:38,330 --> 00:23:35,880
sort of just become one with this

565
00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:38,340
environment it becomes more or less what

566
00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:40,380
Richard Feynman called an out of Body

567
00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:45,230
that's what happened when he floated he

568
00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:46,679
talked about it as an out of body

569
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:49,860
experience and what ends up happening is

570
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,380
you go within body

571
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:54,000
you know you use the word sensory

572
00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:55,980
deprivation and I hate that word because

573
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:58,740
all of our research shows that when

574
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,140
you're floating you feel the visceral

575
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:04,320
body you feel the breath very intensely

576
00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:06,780
you could feel your heart beating

577
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:08,460
sometimes you could feel the blood

578
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:11,159
pulsating through your body

579
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:13,620
it puts you into this very basic state

580
00:24:18,430 --> 00:24:16,799
of sentience and when you're focusing on

581
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:18,440
things like the breath

582
00:24:23,049 --> 00:24:21,299
suddenly what people are trying to

583
00:24:25,010 --> 00:24:23,059
achieve in these sort of

584
00:24:27,169 --> 00:24:25,020
mindfulness-based meditations where

585
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,179
they're focusing on the breath becomes

586
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:28,799
Amplified

587
00:24:34,610 --> 00:24:31,620
and meditation as you said becomes so

588
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:34,620
much easier in this environment

589
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,260
and so you know to me

590
00:24:42,049 --> 00:24:39,360
I know I'm Meandering here but to get

591
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:42,059
back to your original point

592
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:45,240
people struggle with the idea of being

593
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:48,299
with themselves because typically the

594
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,500
environments that they're with

595
00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:52,080
themselves are in the outer world where

596
00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:53,640
they're sitting next to their smartphone

597
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,000
where they're stimulated by life

598
00:25:01,870 --> 00:24:59,159
in this environment you are with

599
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:01,880
yourself under the most perfect state of

600
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:04,860
homeostasis your nervous system is

601
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:08,100
really at peace and so suddenly when you

602
00:25:13,549 --> 00:25:09,960
go internally

603
00:25:15,549 --> 00:25:13,559
it's going to feel very different

604
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:15,559
and this is what people don't understand

605
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:18,960
I think there's a lot of hesitancy to

606
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:21,840
try float therapy but once you're in the

607
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:23,700
environment you realize it's actually

608
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:25,380
quite simple

609
00:25:30,769 --> 00:25:27,419
in our intro video Justin if you

610
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,779
remember for like the first six years we

611
00:25:35,149 --> 00:25:33,059
use the little phrase if you can't spend

612
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,159
an hour alone with you what does that

613
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,919
say about you and people were so

614
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:39,840
offended that in the last year we

615
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:41,940
finally just took that out because they

616
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,080
just couldn't wrap their brains around

617
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:44,640
the fact that they might be bored with

618
00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:47,400
their own thoughts I like that I think

619
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:49,320
people could use a little gentle ribbing

620
00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:52,260
here and there I like the way you say

621
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:55,380
that and so flotation tanks they have an

622
00:25:59,390 --> 00:25:57,240
interesting history too right I believe

623
00:26:01,610 --> 00:25:59,400
they were first developed by Eli Lilly

624
00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:01,620
who is probably even more famous for his

625
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:03,419
research and trying to communicate with

626
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:04,980
dolphins which ended up getting pretty

627
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:07,260
weird with LSD and inner species

628
00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:10,860
relations but I'm not sure which of you

629
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,600
would know more I'm sure you both know a

630
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:13,919
little bit about the history but is

631
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,260
there more to say about Eli Lilly and

632
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:19,200
the Genesis of this flotation tank idea

633
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,960
you meet John Lilly oh John Lilly my

634
00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:24,240
mistake yeah yeah Eli Lilly you know is

635
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,520
a very giant name as well and

636
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:29,039
pharmaceutical company now yes yes I

637
00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:31,380
think that's why I got my wires crossed

638
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:33,299
I got a one-year-old at home hey

639
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:35,820
forgiven but yeah John John Lilly is a

640
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:38,159
figurehead in this it was really John

641
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:40,440
Lilly and Jay Shirley both medical

642
00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:43,620
doctors who kind of invented the initial

643
00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:46,440
conception of floating back in the 1950s

644
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:48,120
they were at the National Institute of

645
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:49,320
Mental Health

646
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:51,240
and sort of thinking about you know

647
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:54,360
Consciousness and what happens to the

648
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,460
brain when you could just shut off the

649
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,799
outside world get rid of all forms of

650
00:27:02,810 --> 00:27:01,200
external stimulation get rid of all

651
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,820
forms of input to the nervous system

652
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:04,740
does the nervous system at that point

653
00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:07,620
cease to exist do you fall into a state

654
00:27:12,769 --> 00:27:10,440
of deep sleep or coma what happens

655
00:27:15,769 --> 00:27:12,779
and so they created these very elegant

656
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:15,779
Contraptions very different than the

657
00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:18,779
float pools we have today where you're

658
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:21,059
basically immersed in an eight foot tall

659
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:25,020
vot of water completely immersed it's

660
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:27,419
heated to skin temperature you're

661
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:30,659
vertical not horizontal you're wearing

662
00:27:36,649 --> 00:27:33,919
this crazy alien-like Contraption helmet

663
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,659
that has breathing tubes coming in to

664
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,000
deliver oxygen breathing tubes going out

665
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,240
to release the carbon dioxide and you're

666
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:44,159
just sitting in that VOD of water it's

667
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,659
very sci-fi

668
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,720
and as you can imagine not very many

669
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,000
people

670
00:27:54,850 --> 00:27:52,320
volunteered for this except NASA

671
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,860
astronauts it turns out all the

672
00:28:00,890 --> 00:27:57,360
astronauts in training on the race to

673
00:28:03,169 --> 00:28:00,900
the moon in the 60s were doing this at J

674
00:28:05,529 --> 00:28:03,179
Shirley's tank at the VA hospital in

675
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:05,539
Oklahoma City

676
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,340
and it turned out your nervous system

677
00:28:15,169 --> 00:28:10,740
didn't shut off you went into a very

678
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:15,179
sort of deep state of self-awareness of

679
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:18,120
introspective thinking sometimes mind

680
00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:21,240
wandering imagination

681
00:28:25,549 --> 00:28:23,820
but he didn't cease to exist there you

682
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:25,559
were the entire time

683
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,960
it turns out the female astronauts in

684
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:30,240
training were outlasting the men twofold

685
00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:32,580
some of those female astronauts could

686
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:34,440
stay in this environment for upwards of

687
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:37,500
12 hours straight

688
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:40,980
the men were about six hours

689
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:43,679
but anyways you know John Lilly

690
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,200
was really fascinated by this state of

691
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:47,520
consciousness

692
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:51,179
and around the time Jay Shirley started

693
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:53,940
his laboratory at the Oklahoma City VA

694
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:56,100
John Lilly took off

695
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,679
to the Virgin Islands and started his

696
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,440
experiments with dolphins

697
00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:04,799
and started combining float tanks with

698
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,580
psychedelic substances like LSD and

699
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:10,880
eventually ketamine

700
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:13,620
and wrote about it in his books he never

701
00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:15,960
published peer-reviewed scientific

702
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,360
papers which always upset me about him

703
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:20,880
on floating

704
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:24,480
but he wrote some books and it became

705
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:26,820
part of popular culture and then in the

706
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,340
1980s they made a movie called Altered

707
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:30,960
States

708
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:33,419
which was really a fictional tell about

709
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,720
John Lilly and his adventures in float

710
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:38,399
tanks

711
00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:42,480
and it became somewhat of a cult classic

712
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:44,039
and

713
00:29:48,289 --> 00:29:46,140
you know floating took off I would say a

714
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:48,299
bit at that point in the 80s there was

715
00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:50,520
sort of an initial

716
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:51,960
peaking of it

717
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:54,299
and then it trailed off again after that

718
00:29:59,450 --> 00:29:56,940
and Lily passed away I think earlier

719
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,460
this Millennium I think in the early

720
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,640
2000s he was actually living in Maui at

721
00:30:07,389 --> 00:30:04,080
the time

722
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,399
but you know he he was a very creative

723
00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:10,080
imaginative genius

724
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:14,100
but also a bit of a Madman himself and

725
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,200
and so we could get into that I have

726
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,720
somewhat of a love hate relationship

727
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:20,399
with John Lilly

728
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:22,020
because I think he could have done so

729
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:23,940
much more for the medical field and

730
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:26,340
floating but he never really touted that

731
00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,740
part of it was more of a Consciousness

732
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:30,899
exploration for him

733
00:30:35,450 --> 00:30:33,000
and he was a medical doctor and he was a

734
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,460
scientist as well who published other

735
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:37,919
things in peer-reviewed journals

736
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,039
but for better or worse it was Lily and

737
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:43,440
Shirley who initially conceived the idea

738
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:46,620
and then Lily and Glenn Perry in the

739
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:49,919
early 70s who invented what is the

740
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:51,659
modern day conception of floating where

741
00:30:57,769 --> 00:30:54,179
you are floating horizontally on this

742
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:57,779
pool of water saturated with Epsom salt

743
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,080
mm-hmm yeah I mean the way you describe

744
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:03,120
these are my favorite types of people

745
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:05,460
the ones who push up against the

746
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:07,740
boundaries and I don't know I guess

747
00:31:12,529 --> 00:31:10,740
somehow secure the funding to do such

748
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:12,539
research because it is so rare to have

749
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,000
that kind of outside the box stuff

750
00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:16,559
happening that's why we still talk about

751
00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:20,039
it today decades later because it's hard

752
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:22,500
to find a guy like Lily doing work like

753
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:23,399
this

754
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,000
that's right and I feel like the one

755
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:29,279
mistake Lily made

756
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:33,960
is he was a well-respected scientist for

757
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,899
many many years in the early days I

758
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,880
think science started losing respect for

759
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:40,799
him when he stopped publishing papers

760
00:31:45,649 --> 00:31:42,539
stopped doing research and it was all

761
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:45,659
just sort of self-observation I

762
00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:47,520
appreciate that because it's courageous

763
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:49,799
what he did he went to state

764
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:52,020
subconsciousness that pretty much no one

765
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:55,799
else on Earth will ever obtain but at

766
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,299
the same time you know coming from a

767
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,279
medical or clinical perspective he was a

768
00:32:02,210 --> 00:32:01,200
medical doctor he was a psychiatrist by

769
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,220
training

770
00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:04,559
he had published Neuroscience papers on

771
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:06,539
recording some of the first

772
00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:09,720
signals from the brains of monkeys

773
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:11,580
he was getting published in prestigious

774
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:13,980
journals and then he discovers you know

775
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:17,159
floating and then started using really

776
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:19,380
high doses of psychedelics and then kind

777
00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:21,419
of stopped doing all that research and

778
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:22,740
stop publishing

779
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,779
and never really

780
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,880
thought of floating necessarily from a

781
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:28,860
therapeutic perspective at the time the

782
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,919
tanks were you know very enclosed and we

783
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,120
could talk about that it takes them

784
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:35,760
become much more spacious and open

785
00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:38,399
over the days so as you said Greg

786
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,020
earlier some people might feel

787
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,760
claustrophobic in those earlier

788
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:44,399
iterations of floating so maybe Lily

789
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:46,140
thought this is only for special people

790
00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:48,360
who could handle this environment

791
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:50,460
but nowadays floating should be open to

792
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:52,200
everybody especially now that there's

793
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:55,799
open pools so there is no enclosure but

794
00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:59,279
anyways I I digress I think you know the

795
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,600
point I'm trying to make about John

796
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:02,880
Lilly is the clinical field of medicine

797
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:05,940
never took floating seriously

798
00:33:09,769 --> 00:33:08,100
it's just starting to right now because

799
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:09,779
we're publishing this stuff in

800
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,360
peer-reviewed medical journals

801
00:33:16,850 --> 00:33:14,640
but until then it was always this far

802
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,860
out wild Niche that was always

803
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:18,720
associated with psychedelics it was

804
00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:20,340
never viewed as a therapeutic treatment

805
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,500
and that's what upsets me is I feel like

806
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,720
Lily could have done more to get it more

807
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:26,460
respected in that regard

808
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:29,220
that's true that Association is pretty

809
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:31,140
strong but on the other hand even the

810
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:32,760
psychedelics are having their time to

811
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,620
shine with lots of research going on

812
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:37,440
concerning these same types of

813
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:40,860
conditions really of stress and PTSD and

814
00:33:46,730 --> 00:33:44,340
I would say that mushrooms or MDMA are

815
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:46,740
probably still far better ways to go

816
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:49,740
about it than opioids and benzos but

817
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:51,720
having had a few of my own experiences

818
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:54,960
they can still be a roll of the dice

819
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,240
especially if you're going in with an

820
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:00,080
already somewhat fragile state of mind

821
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:03,000
so floating really does seem like the

822
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,340
best of all of these options but maybe

823
00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:07,440
because of the Resurgence in taking

824
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:09,960
psychedelics seriously there's a new

825
00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:11,940
attitude towards taking the float tank

826
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:13,500
seriously too in that previous

827
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:16,260
Association isn't a big deal anymore

828
00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:18,599
because it's all kind of coming out

829
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:22,139
yeah isn't that funny full circle right

830
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:23,940
um and it all kind of happened at the

831
00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:25,859
same time those initial float tanks in

832
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,379
the 70s the Psychedelic movement in the

833
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:31,679
late 60s going into the 70s and it all

834
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:33,659
sort of washed away and now it's coming

835
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:35,339
back again and

836
00:34:39,649 --> 00:34:37,260
you know psychedelics I think have

837
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:39,659
therapeutic use there is no doubt the

838
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:41,940
evidence-based specially for psilocybin

839
00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:45,240
and depression MDMA and PTSD

840
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:47,639
is really quite impressive

841
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:50,520
you need to be doing it in the right set

842
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:52,679
and setting and in all of the

843
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,300
peer-reviewed research that's coming out

844
00:34:59,089 --> 00:34:56,879
the past few years it's with a trained

845
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:59,099
and licensed therapist

846
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:01,740
for many hours I mean for a psilocybin

847
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,300
session you'll be with them for eight

848
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:05,119
hours so it's not your typical

849
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:08,280
Psychotherapy session they're guiding

850
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:09,599
you through the experience they're

851
00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:11,820
helping you process the emotions they're

852
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,520
helping make sure you're not going into

853
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:17,520
a quote-unquote bad trip but inevitably

854
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,280
bad trips happen and psychedelics are

855
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:22,740
quite intense especially for people with

856
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,420
mental health issues

857
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,359
the adverse event rate of these in the

858
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:29,160
most recent study that came out were

859
00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:31,020
higher than 50 percent

860
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,960
sometimes upwards of 75 or more are

861
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:36,480
having Adverse Events

862
00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:39,060
so I think it you know I like the idea

863
00:35:44,089 --> 00:35:41,880
of psychedelic therapy I think floating

864
00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:44,099
is maybe perhaps a better Bridge or

865
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:46,740
transition before you go there in some

866
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,260
ways floating creates I would say the

867
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:51,359
perfect set and set it

868
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,400
and that's probably why Lily was

869
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,680
combining psychedelics with floating I

870
00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:57,920
think that that was a big part of it

871
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:01,260
ketamine was his drug of choice

872
00:36:05,569 --> 00:36:03,780
and ketamine with depression I think is

873
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,579
popping up all over the country now

874
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:07,920
you're seeing clinics opening at every

875
00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:09,000
corner

876
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,859
and

877
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:12,720
he thought floating combined with

878
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:15,900
ketamine was the ultimate state

879
00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:19,140
sort of dissociative State really yeah

880
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:21,540
but it turns out ketamine is one of the

881
00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:24,119
most addictive substances on earth right

882
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:28,020
huge physiological withdrawal hmm

883
00:36:32,329 --> 00:36:30,119
and Lily spent the latter part of his

884
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,339
life in that withdrawal and so I think

885
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,680
what we're not aware of is whenever

886
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,720
you're introducing a drug whether it's a

887
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,880
psychedelic or a drug like ketamine

888
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,040
which is really a dissociative

889
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:43,680
there is the possibility for Adverse

890
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,960
Events and there is the possibility for

891
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:47,280
addiction

892
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:49,260
and these are two of the things I'm

893
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:51,000
trying to fight against with float

894
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:53,460
therapy I feel like it doesn't have that

895
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:55,859
same profile you don't have Adverse

896
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:58,560
Events you don't see addiction with it

897
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:01,920
it seems to be very safe and so I I

898
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:04,020
think of safety a lot because the opioid

899
00:37:07,849 --> 00:37:05,820
epidemic we're in right now in the

900
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:07,859
benzodiazepine epidemic we're in right

901
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:10,560
now we're driven by medical doctors who

902
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,420
weren't thinking about safety they were

903
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:14,880
just riding these prescriptions not

904
00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:17,400
caring about what are the Ripple effects

905
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:19,980
in society when people are now addicted

906
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,099
to these substances mm-hmm Justin and I

907
00:37:26,089 --> 00:37:25,200
have taken maybe a little bit of solace

908
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:26,099
in

909
00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:28,020
one of the guys on my board of advisors

910
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:30,359
our buddy Dr Dan Engel he's working with

911
00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:32,520
the thank you life fund that is doing a

912
00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:34,500
lot of this psychedelic treatment with

913
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:37,560
veterans and the amount of traction and

914
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,720
fundraising and you know even some

915
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:41,760
government awareness that this thank you

916
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,040
life fund is getting is I mean

917
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:46,079
incredible and again everything that

918
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,700
Justin's saying if he can get that kind

919
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:49,920
of attention with psychedelics then

920
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:52,320
Justin's float research Collective

921
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:53,760
should really follow the same trajectory

922
00:38:00,530 --> 00:37:56,339
if not better we're hoping yeah

923
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:00,540
absolutely and going back to the comment

924
00:38:07,310 --> 00:38:03,200
you made Justin about

925
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,320
relaxing our bodies regulation that is

926
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,359
constantly happening that in the tank

927
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,280
our bodies can kind of

928
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:13,920
put that process on the back burner it

929
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,740
made me think of an analogy possibly to

930
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:19,140
fasting which is another Trend out there

931
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:22,500
that our bodies in American society are

932
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:25,859
constantly processing intake morning

933
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:29,880
noon and night and we don't fast but you

934
00:38:35,089 --> 00:38:31,800
know it's getting trendy and when you

935
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:35,099
let your body stop that constant intake

936
00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:38,220
process other things happen that seem

937
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:40,260
beneficial and you could maybe say

938
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:43,020
there's a parallel there to just our

939
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:46,020
body's regulation of temperature and all

940
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,540
these things that we're experiencing

941
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:50,700
because of the constant input it allows

942
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:53,700
in a sense our bodies to stop and take a

943
00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:55,980
breath while we're in that tank is that

944
00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:57,540
kind of uh you see what I'm saying there

945
00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:59,339
yeah yeah it's really a form of

946
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,320
self-regulation right

947
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:03,599
I call it like the patellar reflex you

948
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,700
know you hit the knee with the hammer

949
00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:08,160
the whole leg comes up and in float

950
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:11,640
therapy you go into that pool and your

951
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:14,339
nervous system just relaxes

952
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:16,140
and we're talking about both your

953
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:17,880
Central and your peripheral nervous

954
00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:20,339
system we just published a paper last

955
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:22,020
month showing that your blood pressure

956
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:25,500
reduces by 10 to 13 points

957
00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:27,660
your heart rate variability in the high

958
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,359
frequency domain significantly increases

959
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:33,359
your respiration rate goes down

960
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:35,640
you know to me these are physiological

961
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,500
changes that are happening when you're

962
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:39,839
in a float environment and just like

963
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,180
with fasting right where you're reducing

964
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:44,240
the input you're allowing the

965
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,740
gastrointestinal system to enter into a

966
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:48,480
state of homeostasis where it's not

967
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:50,700
being stimulated by all these different

968
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:53,460
food items coming in right um

969
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:55,079
floating's kind of doing that for the

970
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,720
nervous system floating is kind of in

971
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:59,040
some ways I never thought of it like

972
00:40:02,030 --> 00:40:00,060
this but

973
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:02,040
a fasting

974
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,020
for the nervous system because you're

975
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:06,960
being so stimulated all the time yes yes

976
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:09,660
that's uh exactly what I was trying to

977
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,160
get at it it seems like there's a little

978
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,960
bit of an analogy there because our

979
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:15,599
bodies can't help but process input the

980
00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:17,460
food you can control but the outside

981
00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:20,040
stimuli you can't control it from Cradle

982
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,960
to grave you're always looking at

983
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,240
something feeling something and it's

984
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,880
nice for the body to get a rest in that

985
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:29,280
regard and that's also probably why

986
00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:31,980
some people not that it's the main thing

987
00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:33,900
but some people have an out-of-body

988
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:35,640
experience or some kind of

989
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:39,000
disassociation and maybe it simulates

990
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:40,800
something similar to the body being like

991
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:43,020
Oh what am I dead what's going on here

992
00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:45,780
uh I'm not used to even pausing for a

993
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,180
moment and now that I'm pausing maybe

994
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:49,920
we're gonna float on to the great beyond

995
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:52,020
or something like that but I do

996
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:53,940
understand those experiences are I think

997
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:56,280
are kind of rare don't freak out

998
00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:57,599
thinking that you're going to get in a

999
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:59,339
tank and then uh be looking at yourself

1000
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:01,020
from a third party perspective or

1001
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:03,180
anything yeah like I said we didn't see

1002
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:06,180
that we didn't see hallucinations I mean

1003
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,700
once in a while people have visuals in

1004
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:10,800
there like oftentimes auras or colors

1005
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,740
they might see or they might hear some

1006
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:16,079
sort of like sound in the background

1007
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,300
some people describe it like almost like

1008
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:20,700
a quiet Symphony of sorts sometimes

1009
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:22,380
you'll hear your body noises that's

1010
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,220
common yeah that's that's just normal

1011
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:28,079
it's just always kind of in the

1012
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,640
background we just don't know it till it

1013
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,500
becomes very quiet

1014
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,119
um I've heard people could hear their

1015
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,480
eyelids closing wow that's something I

1016
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:38,160
mean for when you mention the heartbeat

1017
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:40,020
thing that was it for me is I've done

1018
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:42,660
flotation tanks in the past and me and

1019
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,240
my wife really enjoyed it now with the

1020
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:47,700
one-year-old Mandy was kind enough to

1021
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:50,940
let us have a float recently and we both

1022
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:52,980
came out of there realizing man we have

1023
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:55,800
not been able to relax in a while and

1024
00:41:59,329 --> 00:41:57,420
we're not as good at getting to that

1025
00:42:01,310 --> 00:41:59,339
relaxed state but it's clearly helpful

1026
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:01,320
but in this most recent experience it

1027
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:03,780
was definitely my own heartbeat that I

1028
00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:06,599
couldn't stop being distracted by while

1029
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:07,859
but Mandy you were going to say

1030
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,440
something yeah I mean the more you float

1031
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,240
the better it gets so that first

1032
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,880
experience usually is pretty

1033
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:17,040
I don't say overwhelming but kind of

1034
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,420
like Justin was saying though the first

1035
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,160
time you go in you really do feel that

1036
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:22,560
reset and the more that you float the

1037
00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:25,500
more your body becomes accustomed to

1038
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:28,140
that sensory deprivation experience and

1039
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,660
going back to where you said people can

1040
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:32,160
sometimes have those out of body

1041
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,020
experiences you know it's really

1042
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:36,720
fascinating that I can have some of our

1043
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,940
veterans or clients unlimited members

1044
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,619
that come in literally every single day

1045
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:42,960
and never have experiences like that

1046
00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:45,060
then I can have other people who come in

1047
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:46,980
for the very first time they're

1048
00:42:52,310 --> 00:42:49,800
exhausted for whatever reason and like

1049
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:52,320
I've had a woman who was in the flow pod

1050
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:54,540
for not even 20 minutes

1051
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:58,260
and she got out and she was so irritated

1052
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,540
that we had let her sleep for so long

1053
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:02,400
and we'd remind her you know it's a 60

1054
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:03,660
Minute float you were in there for 20

1055
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,900
minutes and she really really believed

1056
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,880
that in that 20 minutes she had gotten

1057
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:10,560
out of the flow pod she had gone home

1058
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:13,020
fed her dog come back got back in the

1059
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:14,460
flow pot and then we had forgotten about

1060
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:17,099
her and just all of that can happen

1061
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:19,140
within 20 minutes in your brain because

1062
00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:21,240
she finally just had a chance to

1063
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:23,339
decompress I don't know that I could

1064
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:24,780
even say that she was in the Deep Sleep

1065
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:26,220
phase at that point but she might have

1066
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,119
been

1067
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:28,800
and I personally and I know a lot of

1068
00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:30,420
other float spot owners too have had

1069
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:32,579
experiences where you know I felt like I

1070
00:43:36,349 --> 00:43:34,740
was living a parallel life I saw 20

1071
00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:36,359
years of my life if I had taken a

1072
00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:38,579
different Choice when I was younger and

1073
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:41,339
you come out of that experience

1074
00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:44,460
I don't say relieved but it's just so it

1075
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:46,020
just kind of nice to have those

1076
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,640
experiences and go I don't know why I

1077
00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:49,440
was meant to see that I don't know why

1078
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:51,960
that happened but it is kind of cool

1079
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,700
that the more you float you can kind of

1080
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:55,740
start to tap into whether it's a vision

1081
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:58,500
whether it's lights or memories that you

1082
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,880
can start to tap into some of that

1083
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,640
within your subconscious yeah similar to

1084
00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:05,520
meditation everyone agrees universally

1085
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:07,980
that it's great for relaxation and

1086
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:10,680
Clarity of mind but then as you get more

1087
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:13,740
developed in it people report some

1088
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:15,540
pretty wild experiences and I'm sure

1089
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,579
there's just a good parallel there but

1090
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,680
while we're still in this first hour

1091
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:21,480
here I wanted to come back to what you

1092
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,640
said Mandy about Advanced language

1093
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,640
learning because uh people are going to

1094
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,079
wonder why we didn't bring that back up

1095
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:30,480
if we don't now but it's interesting

1096
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:32,700
because there's a great book called

1097
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:34,740
psychic discoveries from behind the Iron

1098
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:36,359
Curtain about all the Mind research

1099
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,760
going on in the USSR while our guys were

1100
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,040
doing the MK Ultra stuff and they talk

1101
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,440
about out using certain

1102
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:46,079
brain States in conjunction with in

1103
00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:48,300
their case classical music to learn

1104
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,420
languages almost overnight and this is

1105
00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:54,000
not exactly the same thing but that book

1106
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:56,220
made me aware of the possibility of

1107
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:58,020
putting ourselves in certain states

1108
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:00,660
where we retain much more information

1109
00:45:06,349 --> 00:45:03,720
much faster and apparently there's an

1110
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:06,359
element of this with how the seals were

1111
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,420
using the tank right yeah so it's kind

1112
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:11,280
of funny you talk about people have used

1113
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:14,520
it in historical purposes not only for

1114
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,780
advanced language learning and

1115
00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:18,000
relaxation but the reason Justin and I

1116
00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:20,579
kind of have a negative reaction to the

1117
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:22,140
word sensory deprivation is because

1118
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:24,300
before if you looked it up online it

1119
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:25,859
would actually show as a form of War

1120
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:28,260
torture and that's obviously not what

1121
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:30,660
we're doing here but one of the videos

1122
00:45:35,089 --> 00:45:33,240
that I was referencing earlier when our

1123
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,099
buddy the Navy SEAL was talking to us

1124
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:37,200
about floating he had said that within

1125
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,960
the flow pod they had like a Rosetta

1126
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,720
Stone language learning program and it

1127
00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:44,880
was able to take their six-month

1128
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:46,740
language learning program down to six

1129
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,380
weeks and the reasoning behind it was

1130
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:51,960
that these guys cannot sleep they have

1131
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,599
PTSD they're usually add they're

1132
00:45:58,010 --> 00:45:55,980
focusing on a lot of other things

1133
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,020
they've got all their buddies within the

1134
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,520
room the last thing that they're trying

1135
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:02,160
to do is maybe not trying to but they

1136
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:03,720
have a hard time with their memory

1137
00:46:08,329 --> 00:46:06,119
retention and you know going back into

1138
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:08,339
the classroom and so putting these

1139
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,500
people into this state where not only

1140
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:12,720
their memory was a lot better because

1141
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:14,220
they can sleep at night and because

1142
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:15,780
they're more relaxed and they don't have

1143
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:18,060
the distractions but there's some kind

1144
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,560
of memory enhancement that can happen

1145
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,319
better when you drop into that Theta

1146
00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:24,240
wave state and one of the things Justin

1147
00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:26,339
will probably talk about too is going

1148
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,160
from Theta down to the Delta wave

1149
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,680
but that video specifically you can find

1150
00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:34,079
the transcript of it online but you

1151
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,300
cannot find that video anywhere and so

1152
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:37,920
I've always just relied on that

1153
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:40,200
testimonial from our Navy Seals and I'm

1154
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:41,940
talking to many of them who will agree

1155
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:44,099
that that happens and so one of the

1156
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,900
things that true rest float Spas are

1157
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,940
trying to do is say great we're going to

1158
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:49,680
take French and Spanish and these

1159
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:51,780
different languages and see if we can

1160
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:54,119
start to integrate it into our business

1161
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:56,040
model to help people learn languages

1162
00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:58,260
faster which will be great for people

1163
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,119
that are in high school and college and

1164
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:02,640
even just want to go on vacation or you

1165
00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:04,020
know they're trying to listen to some

1166
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:05,640
language learning program in their car

1167
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:07,140
while they're driving and they can't

1168
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:08,760
figure out why it's not working because

1169
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,740
you are far over stimulated in your car

1170
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,960
listening to a podcast that if you're in

1171
00:47:17,050 --> 00:47:14,880
a sensory deprivation tank

1172
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,060
and one of the things I'm actually

1173
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:19,740
personally trying to Grapple with right

1174
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,720
now is whether or not I do that through

1175
00:47:25,550 --> 00:47:23,760
virtual reality I know there are a lot

1176
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:25,560
of positives to virtual reality and I

1177
00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:27,000
know there's a lot of negatives to

1178
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:29,339
virtual reality and so it's something

1179
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:30,660
that we're definitely going to do in the

1180
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,520
next six months I'm just not sure of the

1181
00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:34,400
modality of it yet

1182
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:37,079
that's very interesting yeah I mean VR

1183
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:39,300
is a tool like anything else and it has

1184
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:40,920
many applications and it's worth

1185
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:43,260
exploring if there are more positive

1186
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:44,940
ones because we hear so much about the

1187
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:47,520
negative ones it'd be nice to see it

1188
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:51,480
used in a good way and Dr Feinstein I

1189
00:47:56,349 --> 00:47:54,660
wanted to ask you a little bit about uh

1190
00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:56,359
something Mandy had mentioned to me

1191
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:59,700
where when you were studying brain waves

1192
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:01,260
during floating you found people

1193
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:04,500
entering the Delta brainwave state but

1194
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:06,780
while they're awake which apparently is

1195
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:09,420
pretty unheard of and we've mentioned

1196
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:12,420
time a few times that is to me one of

1197
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:14,220
the most mind-blowing things people

1198
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:17,099
should experience is just how when you

1199
00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:20,760
are in that environment you can't get a

1200
00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:23,220
grip on time you know that you paid for

1201
00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:24,900
an hour and of course people who have

1202
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:26,460
these in their house it's great because

1203
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:28,980
you can just do it however you however

1204
00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:31,800
long you want but you know you paid for

1205
00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:33,540
an hour so you're trying to relax and

1206
00:48:36,829 --> 00:48:34,920
you're like man I need to get to this

1207
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:36,839
relaxed State because the clock is

1208
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:39,180
ticking and then you kind of

1209
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,220
get there and you're just like well how

1210
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:43,200
close am I to the end and it's a kind of

1211
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:46,260
a puzzle and it's just weird how in an

1212
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,260
hour 60 minutes this is time you lose

1213
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:51,119
all grasp of it but that might relate

1214
00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:53,099
here to this Delta wave brain State

1215
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:55,319
thing while people are awake it's just

1216
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,020
another odd thing that seems to happen

1217
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,200
but we don't have much research or even

1218
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,359
much observation of this occurring this

1219
00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:05,280
Delta brainwave State while people are

1220
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:06,660
awake is that right

1221
00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:09,960
it's true you know my colleague Joel

1222
00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:11,339
frolick

1223
00:49:18,349 --> 00:49:14,819
just finished analyzing these data and

1224
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,359
this was only possible because of my

1225
00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:21,119
other colleague Ricardo Jill DeCosta who

1226
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,060
has a startup company called neuroverse

1227
00:49:30,349 --> 00:49:26,720
that made these very small Wireless

1228
00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:30,359
waterproof EEG systems it'd be

1229
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,579
impossible to measure brain signals in

1230
00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:34,800
this environment otherwise

1231
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:37,560
and what was amazing when Joel analyzed

1232
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:41,099
these data is yes these people were

1233
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:45,540
conscious awake and in the midst of a

1234
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:46,980
very prominent

1235
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,819
state of Delta wave activation

1236
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,800
which is very rare you normally only see

1237
00:49:57,550 --> 00:49:54,960
that in deep Sleep that's kind of the

1238
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:57,560
most common time you see delta waves

1239
00:50:04,849 --> 00:50:02,640
deep dreamless non-rem sleep

1240
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:04,859
so to me that's really fascinating that

1241
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,380
you could achieve such a state while

1242
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:09,599
awake there's evidence that this could

1243
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:11,880
happen in other domains including

1244
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:15,000
psychedelics it turns out DMT is

1245
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:18,599
producing a lot of delta waves but also

1246
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,819
a lot of other waves in floating it's

1247
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,319
mostly

1248
00:50:28,010 --> 00:50:24,079
Delta

1249
00:50:30,109 --> 00:50:28,020
slow brainwave State one to three Cycles

1250
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:30,119
a second

1251
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:32,220
so to me that's really fascinating

1252
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:36,300
finding and it does suggest

1253
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:38,520
that floating is

1254
00:50:43,089 --> 00:50:40,920
inducing a very unique state of

1255
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:43,099
consciousness

1256
00:50:48,829 --> 00:50:45,960
Greg it's annoying in a good way to

1257
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,839
businesses like true rest because I've

1258
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:51,359
been marketing the Theta brainwave State

1259
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:52,920
and researching the Theta brainwave

1260
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:55,619
state for seven years now because that's

1261
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,059
what all the research was pointing to

1262
00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:58,800
that everyone spends their time in Theta

1263
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:01,020
wave so when this research just came out

1264
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:02,220
at the last

1265
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:03,900
float conference

1266
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:06,180
I was mind blown and then I had to go do

1267
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:07,680
all the research to find well what is

1268
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:09,720
actually happening in the Delta wave and

1269
00:51:13,250 --> 00:51:11,640
to Justin's Point there's not really any

1270
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,260
research to tell you what is happening

1271
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:15,480
with your Consciousness in that state

1272
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,700
because there's just not any other way

1273
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:20,400
to achieve it really

1274
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,140
or anesthesia you could get it through

1275
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,000
anesthesia

1276
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:25,920
a little riskier a little bit riskier

1277
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,260
but you're not conscious yeah and

1278
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,720
hopefully you come back to consciousness

1279
00:51:35,329 --> 00:51:33,839
with anesthesia but that's right it's

1280
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,339
funny you mentioned the DMT thing

1281
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:36,720
because I once interviewed Rick

1282
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:38,819
Strassman and you know he's famous for

1283
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:41,339
his DMT research and he made the comment

1284
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,319
yeah we were giving this to people in

1285
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,599
the cold sterile environment of a

1286
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:47,520
doctor's office and maybe that wasn't

1287
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:50,819
the best environment for intravenous DMT

1288
00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:53,520
and I would have to agree

1289
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:55,380
um set and setting are obviously very

1290
00:52:00,770 --> 00:51:58,140
key but to come back a little bit more

1291
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,780
to the opioids and the benzos that you

1292
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:02,160
talk about in in one of your

1293
00:52:07,309 --> 00:52:04,260
presentation in the data around just how

1294
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:07,319
much of it is being used apparently we

1295
00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:09,540
have one million deaths in America since

1296
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,599
1999 over a hundred thousand just in the

1297
00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:15,119
last year you also mentioned that when

1298
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:17,880
the sacklers brought Valium to Market at

1299
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:21,240
its peak in the 70s Americans consumed 2

1300
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,359
billion tablets of it and where it gets

1301
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:26,400
really interesting was this statistic

1302
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,380
that one in eight Americans have used

1303
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:31,200
benzos in the last year and 20 percent

1304
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:34,200
have admitted to misusing them and when

1305
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:36,300
you ask these people why they misuse

1306
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,420
these drugs there's a pie chart of their

1307
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,240
answers elaborate on some of that

1308
00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:44,880
information the answers they gave and

1309
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:48,059
how it lines up with flotation benefits

1310
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:51,180
you know if I could recall that slide I

1311
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:54,180
think over half of the time the reason

1312
00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:57,240
people are misusing benzos oftentimes

1313
00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:00,359
drugs like Xanax valium's another one

1314
00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:03,059
Ativan or lorazepam

1315
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:07,079
is because they are trying to relax and

1316
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:09,180
relieve tension this is probably the

1317
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:10,980
most common reason

1318
00:53:15,230 --> 00:53:13,260
and I think this is what people in

1319
00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:15,240
society need they need to take a load

1320
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:17,339
off they've been stressed all day

1321
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,740
they have a ton on their plate and so

1322
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,599
they're looking for a quick fix to relax

1323
00:53:26,569 --> 00:53:24,000
and relieve their tension and benzo's

1324
00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:26,579
work highly effectively at doing that

1325
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,099
within an hour or two of taking a benzo

1326
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:31,680
you're feeling less tension you're

1327
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:33,660
feeling more relaxed

1328
00:53:38,569 --> 00:53:36,240
and you know to me that's really

1329
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:38,579
fascinating because that's what we were

1330
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,380
finding in our data with the anxious

1331
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:42,960
patients who were floating and the

1332
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:45,720
stress patients who were really floating

1333
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:50,520
to relieve their tension and to relax

1334
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,619
and there's other reasons too I think

1335
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:54,960
about a quarter said they were doing it

1336
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:57,720
to help with sleep and insomnia and

1337
00:54:02,930 --> 00:54:00,660
there's now some data mostly anecdotal

1338
00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:02,940
but some published data to suggest that

1339
00:54:07,609 --> 00:54:05,339
floating will improve the quality of

1340
00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:07,619
your sleep and make it easier to

1341
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:09,270
transition into sleep

1342
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:10,380
[Music]

1343
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:13,440
so I think there are a lot of overlaps

1344
00:54:19,069 --> 00:54:16,680
between the benefits of floating and

1345
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:19,079
why people are misusing drugs like

1346
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:20,700
benzos one thing we haven't talked about

1347
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:22,380
maybe we'll talk about it in the second

1348
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:25,260
hour is the other clinical condition

1349
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:27,480
that people are floating for is pain

1350
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:29,460
especially back pain

1351
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,500
and back pain is ubiquitous I think

1352
00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:33,359
almost all of us feel it at some point

1353
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,500
in life

1354
00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:36,180
but you know you're just fighting the

1355
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:38,339
forces of gravity and oftentimes you

1356
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:40,140
could have back pain for no obvious

1357
00:54:45,290 --> 00:54:43,260
reasons other than that and floating is

1358
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:45,300
one of the few places that you're in the

1359
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:47,460
zero gravity-like state

1360
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,300
and you're able to decompress the spinal

1361
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,000
cord all those muscles around the spinal

1362
00:54:59,210 --> 00:54:57,359
cord relax the tension is released and

1363
00:55:02,870 --> 00:54:59,220
now the spinal cord could actually

1364
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:02,880
decompress from the forces of gravity

1365
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,220
and that's a really unique State and a

1366
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:07,040
lot of patients with chronic back pain

1367
00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:10,079
are reporting immediate benefits from

1368
00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:11,160
floating

1369
00:55:15,849 --> 00:55:13,740
that will often persevere once again for

1370
00:55:18,049 --> 00:55:15,859
a day or two sometimes

1371
00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:18,059
so I think it's something that needs to

1372
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,280
be looked into more the research isn't

1373
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:24,000
as large and vast in that domain as what

1374
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:25,800
I've been studying with the anxiety

1375
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:28,260
disorders and PTSD

1376
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:31,380
but I think it's another area of study

1377
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:33,660
and a lot of those patients were also

1378
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:36,720
using opioids to combat their pain

1379
00:55:42,109 --> 00:55:38,819
and would talk about the effects of

1380
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,119
floating as being as good as taking an

1381
00:55:47,809 --> 00:55:45,119
opioid except they don't feel zombified

1382
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:47,819
after they're not sedated they come out

1383
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:51,119
of afloat clear-headed clear-minded and

1384
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:52,920
excited to Take On The World so it's

1385
00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:55,500
very different than that sort of sedated

1386
00:56:01,069 --> 00:55:58,260
or zombified state that comes from

1387
00:56:02,089 --> 00:56:01,079
benzos and opioids

1388
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:02,099
um

1389
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,140
yes and we should get into back pain but

1390
00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:06,000
I asked you about the drugs to lead up

1391
00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:09,900
to this very ambitious goal you have of

1392
00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:13,020
running a study comparing a single float

1393
00:56:18,349 --> 00:56:15,720
session to a single dose of these drugs

1394
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:18,359
and just putting them head to head

1395
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:22,079
against each other I don't know if this

1396
00:56:26,809 --> 00:56:25,020
set of studies has started yet or not

1397
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,819
but talk to us about that goal and what

1398
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:29,040
you would expect it to show

1399
00:56:35,809 --> 00:56:32,940
so these drugs are highly addictive we

1400
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,819
know that now oxycodone Xanax highly

1401
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,200
addictive millions of people are

1402
00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:39,359
physiologically addicted there's

1403
00:56:42,589 --> 00:56:41,339
overdoses happening all the time as you

1404
00:56:44,329 --> 00:56:42,599
alluded to

1405
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:44,339
and

1406
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:46,680
the reason people are using these drugs

1407
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,380
it's very clear is for short-term very

1408
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:51,599
immediate rapid relief

1409
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,700
of pain and anxiety

1410
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:56,400
this is why they're being abused this is

1411
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:58,619
why they're so addictive and they also

1412
00:57:02,569 --> 00:57:00,180
have you know intense withdrawal

1413
00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:02,579
symptoms once the body becomes addicted

1414
00:57:10,609 --> 00:57:06,599
to it but anyways to me there's never

1415
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,619
been a single study that has tried to

1416
00:57:14,329 --> 00:57:12,960
take on what I call the behemoths of big

1417
00:57:17,569 --> 00:57:14,339
Pharma

1418
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,579
you know why is it that a doctor has a

1419
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:19,680
patient in front of them who's

1420
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:22,260
complaining about issues related to pain

1421
00:57:27,049 --> 00:57:25,020
or anxiety or stress

1422
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:27,059
and the first thing they do is write

1423
00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:29,099
that prescription on the pill PAD why is

1424
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:31,079
that well it turns out there's never

1425
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,040
been

1426
00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:34,559
a peer-reviewed head-to-head clinical

1427
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:37,140
trial showing that there's a behavioral

1428
00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:38,640
intervention

1429
00:57:45,049 --> 00:57:41,579
that could have that same pain relief or

1430
00:57:46,849 --> 00:57:45,059
Anxiety Relief as these pills

1431
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,859
and to me this is mind-boggling I'm

1432
00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:48,960
talking about meditation I'm talking

1433
00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:50,819
about Psychotherapy I'm talking about

1434
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:54,059
yoga and acupuncture go across the

1435
00:57:57,950 --> 00:57:55,859
entire spectrum of Behavioral

1436
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:57,960
interventions non-pharmacological

1437
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,180
interventions and no one's ever tried to

1438
00:58:03,710 --> 00:58:01,680
go head to head

1439
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:03,720
against these guys

1440
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,180
and to me I feel like this is a travesty

1441
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:08,400
because that's going to be the only way

1442
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:11,760
to get doctors to start prescribing

1443
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:14,220
another alternative instead of these

1444
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:16,380
highly addictive pills and so that's

1445
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,819
what I'm proposing that's what my

1446
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:20,400
non-profit is proposing to do we need to

1447
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,680
fundraise for this you know going up

1448
00:58:26,809 --> 00:58:24,480
against people who could spend hundreds

1449
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,819
of millions of dollars to get drugs

1450
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,079
approved

1451
00:58:32,809 --> 00:58:30,480
and then get them spread through the

1452
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:32,819
entire medical system this is not going

1453
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:35,160
to be an easy task but I think it's one

1454
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:37,619
that we have to do if we're going to

1455
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:39,720
change the field of medicine which is

1456
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:43,280
really going in the wrong trajectory

1457
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:47,359
yeah I really see floating as part of a

1458
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:50,220
holistic toolbox that could put a

1459
00:58:56,569 --> 00:58:54,720
serious dent in the drug only solution

1460
00:58:58,730 --> 00:58:56,579
that we have today

1461
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:58,740
yeah absolutely and

1462
00:59:03,770 --> 00:59:00,359
you know we have to celebrate small

1463
00:59:05,809 --> 00:59:03,780
achievements Society is large and I

1464
00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:05,819
think there's so many people that could

1465
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,640
stand to benefit from floating

1466
00:59:12,049 --> 00:59:10,319
especially given all the stress right

1467
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:12,059
now in society

1468
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:16,020
and Mandy I just found out reached her 1

1469
00:59:22,190 --> 00:59:19,740
millionth float right yeah ah

1470
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:22,200
so a million people have now floated a

1471
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,940
true rest to me you know I'd like that

1472
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:26,400
number to be a billion eventually right

1473
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:28,980
oh we'll get that we'll get there but

1474
00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:30,540
the problem is most people have never

1475
00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:32,819
heard of floating and have often never

1476
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:34,740
tried it and to me this is something

1477
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,140
people need to understand could become

1478
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,119
part of the routine like you said the

1479
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:42,000
holistic package of how to live life in

1480
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,220
modern times and I think floating could

1481
00:59:50,750 --> 00:59:47,040
be a very Central piece to that

1482
00:59:52,609 --> 00:59:50,760
yeah absolutely I totally agree Greg do

1483
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,619
we have time at some point for Justin to

1484
00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:55,200
talk at some point of how he left the

1485
00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:56,760
Laureate Institute for brain research

1486
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:58,680
and why he went off on his own yeah

1487
01:00:01,609 --> 01:00:00,420
let's do it right now Justin I think

1488
01:00:04,130 --> 01:00:01,619
that's a good story

1489
01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:04,140
all right I don't want to get into

1490
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,540
too many details but I'm happy to kind

1491
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:09,359
of give the the 10 000 foot View

1492
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:10,559
sure

1493
01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:11,700
you know

1494
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:14,700
to me this idea of disseminating float

1495
01:00:19,309 --> 01:00:16,440
therapy

1496
01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:19,319
what I've shown very clearly in my data

1497
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:22,440
is a very safe intervention especially

1498
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:25,140
you know when done in the confines of

1499
01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:27,119
the open pool I say that because we

1500
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,980
haven't had a chance to study the closed

1501
01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:30,000
pools yet

1502
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:32,520
but I I just want to put that disclaimer

1503
01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:34,680
for patients who might be listening to

1504
01:00:38,450 --> 01:00:36,540
this podcast

1505
01:00:40,670 --> 01:00:38,460
all of our research was done in the open

1506
01:00:42,770 --> 01:00:40,680
pool and I think it's important that

1507
01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:42,780
this environment create a safe space for

1508
01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:45,720
you you need to feel safe that's a key

1509
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,700
part I think of the therapeutic process

1510
01:00:50,450 --> 01:00:49,440
and I think you've alluded to that Greg

1511
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:50,460
that

1512
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:53,280
some tank designs could make you feel

1513
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:55,859
unsafe and that that's not good you know

1514
01:01:00,289 --> 01:00:57,420
to me that's the key part of the

1515
01:01:01,849 --> 01:01:00,299
therapeutic process

1516
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:01,859
but you know

1517
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,380
this idea that I wanted to disseminate

1518
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:06,240
this to the world

1519
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,180
is so Central to you know my purpose and

1520
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:11,040
meaning of doing science and research

1521
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:12,839
you know when I got into this when I

1522
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,799
decided to pursue my PhD and study this

1523
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:19,200
at a serious level at the Laureate

1524
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:21,180
Institute for brain research it was with

1525
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,540
that altruistic motive that anxiety is

1526
01:01:31,130 --> 01:01:26,880
ubiquitous and the current treatments

1527
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:31,140
are not working they're not satisfactory

1528
01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:34,440
and I want to find some solution that

1529
01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:36,839
could help bend the curve a little bit

1530
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,760
and I don't want to say floating is

1531
01:01:43,069 --> 01:01:41,040
going to be a cure-all

1532
01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:43,079
I think floating like you said Greg

1533
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:45,000
could be a catalyst for so many other

1534
01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:48,299
things but it could certainly provide a

1535
01:01:54,770 --> 01:01:51,960
very potent temporary relief from the

1536
01:01:57,170 --> 01:01:54,780
suffering that is so ubiquitous in our

1537
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:57,180
society pain Stress and Anxiety those

1538
01:02:01,609 --> 01:02:00,059
that Triad covers so much of our

1539
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,619
suffering

1540
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,359
and if we could just provide these

1541
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,280
respites I think there's going to be

1542
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:07,680
wiggle room and opening to expand the

1543
01:02:12,650 --> 01:02:10,740
benefit to other areas of life

1544
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:12,660
but you know to me that's what I'm

1545
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:14,040
trying to do with the float research

1546
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,900
Collective is we're trying to get the

1547
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,280
evidence base

1548
01:02:21,230 --> 01:02:19,440
to get the field of medicine to take

1549
01:02:25,849 --> 01:02:21,240
this seriously

1550
01:02:28,370 --> 01:02:25,859
and to try to actually engage in a way

1551
01:02:31,010 --> 01:02:28,380
that this could be covered so no matter

1552
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:31,020
who you are you could walk to your

1553
01:02:37,309 --> 01:02:34,799
neighborhood float shop and go float and

1554
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,319
it will be paid for or subsidized by the

1555
01:02:41,210 --> 01:02:39,359
government or health insurance that's my

1556
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:41,220
vision here

1557
01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:43,020
and wouldn't that be great because

1558
01:02:47,329 --> 01:02:45,180
everyone in society I think could stand

1559
01:02:49,730 --> 01:02:47,339
to benefit from this respite from

1560
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,740
reality and it's just really available

1561
01:02:55,069 --> 01:02:51,119
to everybody

1562
01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:55,079
so that's kind of you know my goal and

1563
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:56,760
at the Laureate Institute for brain

1564
01:02:59,569 --> 01:02:57,839
research

1565
01:03:02,030 --> 01:02:59,579
I

1566
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:02,040
saw the iterative approach that was

1567
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:04,200
being taken you know we just finished

1568
01:03:11,630 --> 01:03:08,400
our NIH study where we were looking at

1569
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,640
the safety of floating across 75

1570
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:13,680
patients with severe anxiety and

1571
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:16,740
depression across multiple float

1572
01:03:22,190 --> 01:03:19,920
sessions everyone floated six times

1573
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:22,200
and we just wanted to assess over the

1574
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:23,940
course of that six sessions were there

1575
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,280
any Adverse Events that could come up

1576
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:29,280
with multiple float sessions and once

1577
01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:30,180
again

1578
01:03:34,130 --> 01:03:32,040
the answer was no

1579
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:34,140
we weren't seeing Adverse Events but

1580
01:03:37,609 --> 01:03:35,579
that was the whole point of the study

1581
01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:37,619
the study wasn't to take on big Pharma

1582
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:39,180
you see

1583
01:03:45,049 --> 01:03:42,960
and the idea is I'm trying to make this

1584
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,059
research happen faster I don't think I

1585
01:03:49,549 --> 01:03:47,520
could have done this big Pharma study at

1586
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:49,559
the Laureate Institute

1587
01:03:54,349 --> 01:03:52,740
and you talked earlier about big Pharma

1588
01:03:58,010 --> 01:03:54,359
I didn't get into this but the powers

1589
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,020
that be are vast and extensive yeah and

1590
01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:00,000
Psychiatry by the way is basically

1591
01:04:03,950 --> 01:04:01,980
funded by big Pharma that the whole

1592
01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:03,960
field of psychiatry

1593
01:04:09,890 --> 01:04:07,140
is pretty much entirely funded by big

1594
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:09,900
Pharma because that's what psychiatrists

1595
01:04:15,470 --> 01:04:12,420
most often do is they will prescribe

1596
01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:15,480
pills that's oftentimes what separates

1597
01:04:19,609 --> 01:04:17,640
them from psychologists not to say that

1598
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,619
psychiatrists can't do amazing therapy

1599
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:21,839
but the vast majority are just

1600
01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:23,700
prescribing and that's because big

1601
01:04:28,670 --> 01:04:27,180
Pharma wants that

1602
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:28,680
so to me

1603
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:31,260
I was going to face these powers that

1604
01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:32,700
you spoke about

1605
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:34,700
and this study going head-to-head

1606
01:04:40,430 --> 01:04:36,960
against benzos

1607
01:04:42,170 --> 01:04:40,440
was not going to happen hmm

1608
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,180
and so that's what I'm trying to do

1609
01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:44,160
that's why I left that's why I created

1610
01:04:48,589 --> 01:04:46,260
the float research Collective is I want

1611
01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:48,599
to get this approved as a medical

1612
01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:51,480
treatment as quickly as possible so that

1613
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:54,180
everybody out there who's suffering from

1614
01:04:58,670 --> 01:04:56,160
these ubiquitous conditions stands to

1615
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,680
benefit that's the whole idea here

1616
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,480
and Justin I think the reason I wanted

1617
01:05:04,010 --> 01:05:02,160
you to share that you know to a degree

1618
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:04,020
is because you know you talk about these

1619
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:05,520
different studies that have the NIH

1620
01:05:10,130 --> 01:05:08,400
backing which is obviously huge but the

1621
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,140
float research Collective does not and

1622
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:11,760
so you know the fundraising power that's

1623
01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:15,000
needed to make this head-to-head study

1624
01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:17,640
happen is extremely important because it

1625
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:20,460
does not have that kind of NIH backing

1626
01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:22,079
that the library has on some of these

1627
01:05:25,849 --> 01:05:23,940
studies that have already happened

1628
01:05:28,190 --> 01:05:25,859
yeah the system is not going to want

1629
01:05:30,589 --> 01:05:28,200
this study done because we already kind

1630
01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:30,599
of have a fair indication of what it

1631
01:05:35,089 --> 01:05:32,520
might show and they don't want anything

1632
01:05:37,549 --> 01:05:35,099
to compete with their profits for these

1633
01:05:40,010 --> 01:05:37,559
pills so yeah I mean I think that's a

1634
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,020
story it's going to resonate a lot with

1635
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:43,200
this audience who likes to see people go

1636
01:05:47,870 --> 01:05:45,119
Rogue and and try to fight the big

1637
01:05:50,270 --> 01:05:47,880
machine really just in the interest of

1638
01:05:52,010 --> 01:05:50,280
giving people something that is going to

1639
01:05:54,109 --> 01:05:52,020
help improve their lives and improve

1640
01:05:57,289 --> 01:05:54,119
their situations that they don't have

1641
01:06:00,650 --> 01:05:57,299
access to otherwise so yeah I appreciate

1642
01:06:03,289 --> 01:06:00,660
that and as we're starting to do the

1643
01:06:05,089 --> 01:06:03,299
wrap up stuff Mandy I also wanted to

1644
01:06:07,250 --> 01:06:05,099
talk to you a little bit about what you

1645
01:06:09,470 --> 01:06:07,260
do with franchising now I looked at the

1646
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:09,480
numbers and it seems a bit lofty for the

1647
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:12,240
average person to get involved in but no

1648
01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:14,760
franchise really seems cheap I almost

1649
01:06:18,289 --> 01:06:16,440
went down the path of opening the Jimmy

1650
01:06:19,970 --> 01:06:18,299
John's or buying a vending machine route

1651
01:06:22,730 --> 01:06:19,980
back in the day when I was sad and

1652
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:22,740
desperate but so many of us are working

1653
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:25,920
in areas we don't feel fulfilled by or

1654
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:28,020
maybe we work maybe we're working in

1655
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,039
companies

1656
01:06:33,710 --> 01:06:31,920
where we know we're doing active harm in

1657
01:06:37,010 --> 01:06:33,720
the world to a degree but we got to get

1658
01:06:38,990 --> 01:06:37,020
a bag somehow I would think if a person

1659
01:06:41,630 --> 01:06:39,000
wanted to become an entrepreneur be

1660
01:06:43,609 --> 01:06:41,640
their own boss and feel good about their

1661
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:43,619
product and their contribution to the

1662
01:06:48,289 --> 01:06:45,839
world this would not be a bad way to go

1663
01:06:50,589 --> 01:06:48,299
give us the pitch in terms of what's

1664
01:06:53,569 --> 01:06:50,599
involved with being a true rest

1665
01:06:55,130 --> 01:06:53,579
franchisee the benefits and ultimately

1666
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:55,140
it's profitability

1667
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,760
yeah I'm glad you want to know more

1668
01:07:00,170 --> 01:06:58,319
about that I mean

1669
01:07:01,789 --> 01:07:00,180
when anyone ever asks me I've been in

1670
01:07:03,230 --> 01:07:01,799
this industry far longer than I already

1671
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,240
thought I would be

1672
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:05,520
and there's three reasons why you know

1673
01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:07,680
one is what we're doing is just

1674
01:07:11,809 --> 01:07:10,140
incredible I mean between the

1675
01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:11,819
conversations I have with Justin and

1676
01:07:15,529 --> 01:07:13,500
anyone else that's doing research or

1677
01:07:16,970 --> 01:07:15,539
even wants to talk about floating I mean

1678
01:07:19,069 --> 01:07:16,980
it's my favorite topic I just can't

1679
01:07:20,750 --> 01:07:19,079
imagine doing work right I talk about

1680
01:07:23,329 --> 01:07:20,760
anything else

1681
01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:23,339
but on the business side of it I know

1682
01:07:28,010 --> 01:07:25,380
every single morning that I'm waking up

1683
01:07:30,289 --> 01:07:28,020
helping people leave the corporate

1684
01:07:32,329 --> 01:07:30,299
ladder that is a complete grind where

1685
01:07:34,430 --> 01:07:32,339
they're totally burnt out and they don't

1686
01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:34,440
see really any upside or way to move

1687
01:07:38,029 --> 01:07:35,940
forward and help them become

1688
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:38,039
entrepreneurs but it's also what you

1689
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:39,599
know keeps me up at night is for the

1690
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:41,280
people that you know maybe do struggle a

1691
01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:43,260
little bit more aren't seeing you know

1692
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,720
the strongest gift card sales what can I

1693
01:07:50,329 --> 01:07:47,520
do in every single given moment to help

1694
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:50,339
those people achieve their goals

1695
01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:52,319
and then the last third thing which we

1696
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,880
don't really need to talk about but just

1697
01:07:57,770 --> 01:07:55,680
a personal statement is because my dad

1698
01:07:59,690 --> 01:07:57,780
is a CEO and I won't step away until I

1699
01:08:02,210 --> 01:07:59,700
get to see him retire which I would hope

1700
01:08:05,210 --> 01:08:02,220
to see all my franchisees

1701
01:08:08,569 --> 01:08:05,220
um but every single person that is open

1702
01:08:10,849 --> 01:08:08,579
to True rest so all 44 locations they

1703
01:08:13,490 --> 01:08:10,859
floated at some point and they believed

1704
01:08:15,289 --> 01:08:13,500
in it in that first float so much that

1705
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,299
they've invested over half a million

1706
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:17,520
dollars or more into opening up their

1707
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:19,920
location now there's SBA Loans in all

1708
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,600
other ways that you can fund it for

1709
01:08:25,370 --> 01:08:23,279
probably less than two hundred thousand

1710
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:25,380
but all in all if you're looking at half

1711
01:08:29,090 --> 01:08:26,940
a million you've got to really believe

1712
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:29,100
in float therapy you've got to love it

1713
01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:30,420
you've got to want to get out of what

1714
01:08:34,249 --> 01:08:32,759
you're doing and it's the topic you talk

1715
01:08:36,349 --> 01:08:34,259
about in the grocery store I mean when

1716
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:36,359
anyone asks you what you do

1717
01:08:39,289 --> 01:08:37,679
um you know we ask if you're down to

1718
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:39,299
float you know and those are the kind of

1719
01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:41,940
things that you know my franchisees want

1720
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:44,520
to spend their life doing so you know

1721
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:46,500
the process itself takes about maybe

1722
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:48,839
nine months from being interested to

1723
01:08:53,150 --> 01:08:51,000
actually getting your doors open and

1724
01:08:55,309 --> 01:08:53,160
then whether it's a single location like

1725
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,319
we have in San Diego that my mom runs

1726
01:09:00,110 --> 01:08:57,359
and it's a little two-pod spawn she

1727
01:09:02,329 --> 01:09:00,120
floats all of her veterans and you know

1728
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:02,339
all of her other clients or you know my

1729
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:03,900
Pittsburgh franchisees that are going to

1730
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:05,699
build five locations and they have

1731
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,460
full-time jobs but they really wanted to

1732
01:09:13,130 --> 01:09:11,040
bring something other than what they

1733
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,140
were doing into the world and to kind of

1734
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,120
help their Pittsburgh

1735
01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:16,799
friends and family that they saw were

1736
01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:18,600
really suffering there's a lot of ways

1737
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:21,000
to franchise with us so you gotta just

1738
01:09:23,689 --> 01:09:22,500
love float therapy and you want to be an

1739
01:09:24,829 --> 01:09:23,699
entrepreneur and I'll help you do the

1740
01:09:26,829 --> 01:09:24,839
rest

1741
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:26,839
love it love it

1742
01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:29,940
and Justin it's always good to hit this

1743
01:09:33,709 --> 01:09:31,500
sort of stuff at the end so it's fresh

1744
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:33,719
in the minds of people out there but

1745
01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:35,699
give us a little more about the float

1746
01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:37,859
research Collective itself and some of

1747
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,020
your main goals the fundraiser and how

1748
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,239
people who have enjoyed this could help

1749
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:44,640
the mission if this stuff resonates with

1750
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:45,600
them

1751
01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:48,000
absolutely you know this has been new

1752
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,580
for me I'm not a social media person if

1753
01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:53,040
anyone saw my TED Talk I I don't like

1754
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:54,780
social media at all I think it's the end

1755
01:09:59,090 --> 01:09:57,060
of us but there's a purpose for getting

1756
01:10:01,250 --> 01:09:59,100
messages out and I think that's a very

1757
01:10:04,729 --> 01:10:01,260
important part and so we did start

1758
01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:04,739
social media this past year all of our

1759
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,040
accounts are at float research that's

1760
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:11,040
the handle and we also have a website

1761
01:10:19,130 --> 01:10:16,370
talks all about what we've been

1762
01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:19,140
discussing it shows a repository of all

1763
01:10:23,090 --> 01:10:21,060
the peer-reviewed papers that we've been

1764
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:23,100
talking about and a lot of the ones I've

1765
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:24,840
published are open access so you could

1766
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:26,820
get the PDF there and actually read it

1767
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,860
for yourself

1768
01:10:33,290 --> 01:10:30,960
we also have a you know a major

1769
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:33,300
fundraiser that we just launched four

1770
01:10:37,490 --> 01:10:35,820
months ago so it's still fresh we're

1771
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,500
trying to get it really getting some

1772
01:10:43,250 --> 01:10:39,840
steam now but that's to raise 10 million

1773
01:10:47,090 --> 01:10:43,260
dollars to do these head-to-head studies

1774
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:47,100
against benzos and opioids and you know

1775
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:48,420
we could use all the help we could get

1776
01:10:52,970 --> 01:10:51,000
honestly we even have the ability to

1777
01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:52,980
sign up fundraising teams if you want to

1778
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:55,020
help us get to that goal rather than

1779
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:57,480
just giving a one-off donation but

1780
01:11:01,970 --> 01:10:58,560
either way

1781
01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:01,980
that website can be found on basically

1782
01:11:06,830 --> 01:11:04,520
any of our social media sites on

1783
01:11:10,490 --> 01:11:06,840
clinicalfloat.org or if you want to go

1784
01:11:13,390 --> 01:11:10,500
directly to it it's clinicalfloat dot

1785
01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:15,709
f-u-n-r-a-i-s-e dot org that's our

1786
01:11:22,490 --> 01:11:19,739
fundraiser great great and it is so

1787
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,500
unfortunate that it takes that much

1788
01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:25,440
money to do this stuff but it's the game

1789
01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:27,420
we play it's how things are structured

1790
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:28,920
and the people who have that kind of

1791
01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:31,560
money in one lump sum

1792
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:33,480
you know don't want to spend it on this

1793
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:36,420
and that is how we're in this situation

1794
01:11:42,169 --> 01:11:39,060
so it's a noble thing to try to do it

1795
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:42,179
Grassroots and get the funding required

1796
01:11:49,250 --> 01:11:46,320
to show that this is a alternative with

1797
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,260
really no consequence and I also just

1798
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:51,600
wanted to mention before we go something

1799
01:11:56,810 --> 01:11:54,120
you said in that presentation

1800
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,820
regarding how you guys can kind of work

1801
01:12:01,630 --> 01:11:59,040
together the Synergy between you both

1802
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:01,640
which is kind of this cloud-based system

1803
01:12:08,510 --> 01:12:06,719
because you can get more data from all

1804
01:12:10,669 --> 01:12:08,520
the float centers that are out there if

1805
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,679
you can get just 10 percent of them to

1806
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:12,480
sign up you said you can get thousands

1807
01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:15,480
of data points that's that's a really

1808
01:12:20,209 --> 01:12:17,460
creative and interesting way to get

1809
01:12:22,490 --> 01:12:20,219
strong scientific data based on the

1810
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,500
network that's already there right

1811
01:12:27,050 --> 01:12:24,480
that's right you know that was another

1812
01:12:28,729 --> 01:12:27,060
thing that excited me about starting the

1813
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:28,739
float research Collective is here we

1814
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:30,780
have this burgeoning network of float

1815
01:12:35,810 --> 01:12:33,420
centers who are all very excited by the

1816
01:12:38,209 --> 01:12:35,820
potential of this novel technology

1817
01:12:40,130 --> 01:12:38,219
and they want to learn why it's working

1818
01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:40,140
how it's working who it's working for

1819
01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:44,040
and so we could set up very easily a

1820
01:12:48,290 --> 01:12:45,780
cloud-based system where all you would

1821
01:12:51,169 --> 01:12:48,300
need is you know an iPhone or a tablet

1822
01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:51,179
or some app there's different ways we're

1823
01:12:56,689 --> 01:12:54,179
exploring this actually and

1824
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,699
very quickly float centers could have

1825
01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:59,040
all of their patrons who go in the float

1826
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,320
fill out some questionnaires and it

1827
01:13:06,169 --> 01:13:04,080
would be that simple to collect massive

1828
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,179
amounts of data and we could talk about

1829
01:13:11,149 --> 01:13:08,880
safety on a much larger scale

1830
01:13:13,550 --> 01:13:11,159
I could talk about what are the base

1831
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:13,560
rates of Adverse Events that happen less

1832
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:16,080
than you know 0.05 percent of the time

1833
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:18,300
when you have tens of thousands of data

1834
01:13:21,649 --> 01:13:19,679
points

1835
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:21,659
and so I think from a safety standpoint

1836
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:24,060
from a dissemination standpoint we need

1837
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:26,100
the system in place and that's one of

1838
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,380
the other things we're fundraising for

1839
01:13:32,930 --> 01:13:30,960
yeah that was a really creative idea I

1840
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,940
thought kind of a gorilla way to get the

1841
01:13:36,649 --> 01:13:34,560
network going because it's already

1842
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:36,659
halfway in place you just need to

1843
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,000
collect that data with some cloud-based

1844
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,000
system and get people to participate but

1845
01:13:47,149 --> 01:13:44,640
man this has been really enjoyable you

1846
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,159
know I had a little uncertainty about

1847
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,440
filling two hours with the float tank

1848
01:13:53,149 --> 01:13:51,360
conversation but I thought it was really

1849
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,159
great and I think people are are going

1850
01:14:00,169 --> 01:13:56,400
to enjoy it and especially anything that

1851
01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:00,179
kind of is a thorn in the side of the

1852
01:14:05,209 --> 01:14:02,760
pill pushers I think our people are

1853
01:14:07,550 --> 01:14:05,219
going to support and appreciate are

1854
01:14:09,290 --> 01:14:07,560
there any other links or or follow-up

1855
01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:09,300
info to give people before we really

1856
01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:10,980
call it in

1857
01:14:14,510 --> 01:14:12,900
one of the things I'd love to share I

1858
01:14:18,169 --> 01:14:14,520
should have mentioned it earlier at some

1859
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:18,179
point but as a node to the true rest

1860
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,760
origin story every true rest across the

1861
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:23,040
country offers free floats to Veterans

1862
01:14:27,290 --> 01:14:26,040
on the 11th of every single month so no

1863
01:14:29,330 --> 01:14:27,300
matter where you are across the country

1864
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:29,340
if you're a veteran and some locations

1865
01:14:33,290 --> 01:14:31,679
even expand that to First Responders

1866
01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:33,300
you can always get a free flow to True

1867
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,380
rest

1868
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,719
um I love that Mandy and you know I

1869
01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:38,880
worked at the VA in San Diego for many

1870
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:40,920
years and it was heartbreaking

1871
01:14:45,709 --> 01:14:43,679
I'll never forget the look on a couple

1872
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:45,719
of my patients faces who had

1873
01:14:50,330 --> 01:14:48,360
post-traumatic stress disorder and

1874
01:14:52,370 --> 01:14:50,340
they'd come to me at the Rock Bottom you

1875
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:52,380
know by the time they got to me their

1876
01:14:56,330 --> 01:14:54,360
why for significant other had basically

1877
01:14:57,890 --> 01:14:56,340
said I'm going to divorce you if you

1878
01:14:59,390 --> 01:14:57,900
don't get help they've lost their

1879
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,400
friends they were in the throes of

1880
01:15:04,370 --> 01:15:01,679
addiction they're in the cusp of suicide

1881
01:15:06,350 --> 01:15:04,380
and they get to me I diagnose them with

1882
01:15:08,270 --> 01:15:06,360
PTSD

1883
01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:08,280
and then I have to look them in the eye

1884
01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:10,140
and say there's a four-month wait list

1885
01:15:13,490 --> 01:15:12,360
for psychotherapy

1886
01:15:15,649 --> 01:15:13,500
um

1887
01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:15,659
you know to me that's an atrocity they

1888
01:15:18,590 --> 01:15:17,400
need help that day that's why they got

1889
01:15:20,810 --> 01:15:18,600
to me

1890
01:15:22,490 --> 01:15:20,820
and I would have loved to been able to

1891
01:15:25,790 --> 01:15:22,500
say to them hey

1892
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:25,800
just go float right now

1893
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:28,800
and until you could get Psychotherapy I

1894
01:15:33,890 --> 01:15:30,840
want you to continue to float every

1895
01:15:36,530 --> 01:15:33,900
single week that's what it should be and

1896
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:36,540
to me there should be a float tank at

1897
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:38,580
every VA hospital in this country no

1898
01:15:43,790 --> 01:15:42,420
excuses yeah for sure I'm glad you got

1899
01:15:45,410 --> 01:15:43,800
to mention a little bit about your

1900
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,420
experience working with people who have

1901
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:48,000
seen the horrors of War because there's

1902
01:15:52,370 --> 01:15:49,679
certainly a lot of talk these days about

1903
01:15:54,410 --> 01:15:52,380
heightened geopolitical tensions and the

1904
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,420
prospect of World War III and maybe a

1905
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:56,640
lot of us have been desensitized through

1906
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:00,000
movies and even video games sure as to

1907
01:16:05,870 --> 01:16:02,880
just how horrible those experiences are

1908
01:16:08,330 --> 01:16:05,880
and how difficult it is to truly recover

1909
01:16:10,970 --> 01:16:08,340
if you're lucky enough to survive the

1910
01:16:13,130 --> 01:16:10,980
experience itself and you've done a

1911
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,140
noble thing working with these most

1912
01:16:18,169 --> 01:16:15,840
vulnerable often forgotten people who

1913
01:16:21,050 --> 01:16:18,179
you know took a major risk the biggest

1914
01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:21,060
risk you could take to try to do what

1915
01:16:25,490 --> 01:16:22,380
they thought was right

1916
01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:25,500
yeah I appreciate that and I appreciate

1917
01:16:29,570 --> 01:16:27,780
all the veterans I think it is a

1918
01:16:32,030 --> 01:16:29,580
tremendous thing that they have to

1919
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:32,040
encounter in terms of stress to the

1920
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:33,840
nervous system very few could say

1921
01:16:36,649 --> 01:16:35,520
they've ever encountered what they have

1922
01:16:38,990 --> 01:16:36,659
and so

1923
01:16:40,010 --> 01:16:39,000
it's up to us as a society to take care

1924
01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:40,020
of them

1925
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,300
I really believe that and to me there's

1926
01:16:46,729 --> 01:16:44,159
no excuse that they're not floating

1927
01:16:49,149 --> 01:16:46,739
every single week especially as they

1928
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:49,159
come back from war

1929
01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:52,560
well said I agree well you are both

1930
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:55,860
doing important work to help people

1931
01:17:01,790 --> 01:16:59,280
recover and optimize and non-invasive

1932
01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:01,800
risk-free ways and I salute you for it

1933
01:17:09,290 --> 01:17:04,380
keep up the great work and take care

1934
01:17:15,410 --> 01:17:12,110
all right there we have it surely an

1935
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:15,420
unexpected topic as I mentioned a lot of

1936
01:17:20,270 --> 01:17:18,239
the podcasts I listen to or have in the

1937
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:20,280
past talk about floating a fair amount

1938
01:17:25,490 --> 01:17:23,280
so I wasn't sure about doing this one

1939
01:17:27,709 --> 01:17:25,500
but Mandy being a listener I think made

1940
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:27,719
it fun because she knew what sort of

1941
01:17:32,810 --> 01:17:30,540
angles we might appreciate and after

1942
01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:32,820
hearing Justin talk about the state of

1943
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:35,400
our culture and his very specific aim of

1944
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:38,159
putting floating up against big pharma's

1945
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:40,080
harshest prescriptions

1946
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:42,719
it dipped me over into the green maybe

1947
01:17:47,689 --> 01:17:44,760
not as many people know about floating

1948
01:17:50,030 --> 01:17:47,699
as I might think and if they do maybe

1949
01:17:52,370 --> 01:17:50,040
they've yet to actually try it

1950
01:17:54,169 --> 01:17:52,380
and speaking of that I can't get too far

1951
01:17:56,770 --> 01:17:54,179
into this without mentioning a very

1952
01:17:59,870 --> 01:17:56,780
generous offer from Mandy and that's 50

1953
01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:59,880
off of float session at participating

1954
01:18:04,130 --> 01:18:01,320
locations

1955
01:18:06,350 --> 01:18:04,140
so obviously a franchise owner has a

1956
01:18:10,910 --> 01:18:06,360
little say in what they do but if you go

1957
01:18:14,030 --> 01:18:10,920
to True rest.com slash VIP you will find

1958
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:14,040
a list of multiple locations across 13

1959
01:18:19,850 --> 01:18:17,280
or so states that will let you come and

1960
01:18:21,890 --> 01:18:19,860
have a session for half price

1961
01:18:24,530 --> 01:18:21,900
so that's the quick and easy way but if

1962
01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:24,540
you find a true rest location in your

1963
01:18:29,630 --> 01:18:26,940
area that isn't on that list

1964
01:18:31,550 --> 01:18:29,640
Mandy went a step further and provided

1965
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:31,560
me with a link where you can basically

1966
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:35,040
buy yourself a 50 off a first float gift

1967
01:18:39,770 --> 01:18:37,920
card that would work at any location

1968
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:39,780
so it's a little complicated but you got

1969
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,000
to do a search and see if there's even a

1970
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:44,640
true rest around you at all if there is

1971
01:18:50,450 --> 01:18:48,000
see if that location is on the VIP list

1972
01:18:51,410 --> 01:18:50,460
and if so it's as easy as scheduling it

1973
01:18:54,370 --> 01:18:51,420
through

1974
01:18:57,530 --> 01:18:54,380
that list of locations at trueress.com

1975
01:18:59,689 --> 01:18:57,540
VIP or you can just scroll down to your

1976
01:19:01,550 --> 01:18:59,699
show notes and go at it from there

1977
01:19:03,169 --> 01:19:01,560
and that's where you will find that link

1978
01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:03,179
for the

1979
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:05,940
50 off a first float that works anywhere

1980
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,820
that is a true rest location

1981
01:19:13,130 --> 01:19:10,800
it's always a little frustrating when we

1982
01:19:15,169 --> 01:19:13,140
don't get these sorts of offers set up

1983
01:19:17,630 --> 01:19:15,179
until after the interview

1984
01:19:20,209 --> 01:19:17,640
because you want to feature them more

1985
01:19:22,370 --> 01:19:20,219
prominently so everyone is aware

1986
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,380
but sometimes this is just how it shakes

1987
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,239
out because this kind of thing is not

1988
01:19:29,570 --> 01:19:26,640
usually top of mind for me

1989
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:29,580
so I didn't think to ask Mandy until the

1990
01:19:33,950 --> 01:19:31,260
interview was over and when she came

1991
01:19:36,410 --> 01:19:33,960
back with this 50 off thing I just

1992
01:19:38,270 --> 01:19:36,420
thought wow that was a lot more generous

1993
01:19:40,669 --> 01:19:38,280
than I expected

1994
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:40,679
we could all benefit from carving out a

1995
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,199
little time for introspection relaxation

1996
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:45,360
and de-stressing from an environment

1997
01:19:50,570 --> 01:19:48,480
that is pretty rough on our mental state

1998
01:19:52,490 --> 01:19:50,580
and physiology

1999
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:52,500
so treat yourself it's not really going

2000
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:54,960
to get any easier or cheaper

2001
01:19:59,810 --> 01:19:58,320
most likely than with this offer and I

2002
01:20:02,030 --> 01:19:59,820
just go back to thinking about our

2003
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:02,040
battle with the bad guys being a battle

2004
01:20:06,649 --> 01:20:03,480
to control

2005
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:06,659
the energy field as Lynn McTaggart might

2006
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:07,679
call it

2007
01:20:11,930 --> 01:20:10,320
but you know the general polarity of the

2008
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:11,940
Consciousness field

2009
01:20:15,890 --> 01:20:13,860
and all of our thoughts and actions

2010
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:15,900
contribute to it and it's always been

2011
01:20:21,649 --> 01:20:18,480
manipulated to skew negative

2012
01:20:24,169 --> 01:20:21,659
well if I can tell or remind tens of

2013
01:20:26,450 --> 01:20:24,179
thousands of people about floating

2014
01:20:29,209 --> 01:20:26,460
and then a few thousand actually take

2015
01:20:31,250 --> 01:20:29,219
the next step and check it out and from

2016
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,260
there they come out feeling more at

2017
01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:33,600
peace less overwhelmed with it all less

2018
01:20:39,410 --> 01:20:36,540
prone to negative expressions of emotion

2019
01:20:41,689 --> 01:20:39,420
more zen-like let's say

2020
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,699
it might be a small thing but it might

2021
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,679
have big impacts maybe it could end up

2022
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:45,600
being like a butterfly effect kind of

2023
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:46,620
thing

2024
01:20:50,990 --> 01:20:49,980
but any positive impact on the field is

2025
01:20:52,669 --> 01:20:51,000
good

2026
01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:52,679
and that's how I'm thinking about this

2027
01:20:57,950 --> 01:20:55,140
one and how effective it could be

2028
01:21:00,770 --> 01:20:57,960
plus maybe some folks feel passionately

2029
01:21:02,990 --> 01:21:00,780
enough to contribute to the fundraiser

2030
01:21:05,149 --> 01:21:03,000
it's awfully expensive to do a

2031
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,159
head-to-head study that will be accepted

2032
01:21:08,990 --> 01:21:07,199
across the medical community

2033
01:21:11,630 --> 01:21:09,000
but we know how the game is played

2034
01:21:13,610 --> 01:21:11,640
studies that upset big pharma's profits

2035
01:21:16,729 --> 01:21:13,620
just don't get funded

2036
01:21:19,970 --> 01:21:16,739
and the bar for credible evidence is set

2037
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:19,980
so high that very few can clear it

2038
01:21:25,310 --> 01:21:22,560
so yeah I'm rooting for Dr Feinstein and

2039
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:25,320
I wholeheartedly support his mission

2040
01:21:29,090 --> 01:21:27,300
I just started kind of thinking along

2041
01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:29,100
those lines and it seemed like there's

2042
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:30,900
actually a lot more potential for this

2043
01:21:36,169 --> 01:21:33,360
to make an impact than I first thought

2044
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:36,179
hell maybe even some of the THC Upper

2045
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:38,760
Crust decides to open their own float

2046
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:40,860
rest locations

2047
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:43,260
the possibility for a big domino effect

2048
01:21:46,910 --> 01:21:44,880
is there

2049
01:21:49,070 --> 01:21:46,920
people giving themselves a break

2050
01:21:52,729 --> 01:21:49,080
spreading the word to anyone they know

2051
01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:52,739
on opioids or benzodiazepines

2052
01:21:56,930 --> 01:21:54,900
or people who are just curious doing a

2053
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,940
little business with a network that's

2054
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:58,560
being helpful to the world and

2055
01:22:02,870 --> 01:21:59,760
supporting

2056
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:02,880
a leader in that sphere being Justin who

2057
01:22:07,610 --> 01:22:04,800
is trying to go up against big Pharma

2058
01:22:11,209 --> 01:22:07,620
directly and on their terms

2059
01:22:13,070 --> 01:22:11,219
it's bold I like it I'm happy to use an

2060
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:13,080
episode of this show to try and help

2061
01:22:18,050 --> 01:22:14,880
with those things

2062
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:18,060
sadly sometimes Solutions are less

2063
01:22:22,850 --> 01:22:20,159
exciting than the problems but we need

2064
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:22,860
both if we want to get anywhere

2065
01:22:27,649 --> 01:22:25,440
so the first hour is great and the

2066
01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:27,659
second hour doesn't disappoint we talked

2067
01:22:31,010 --> 01:22:28,500
about

2068
01:22:33,229 --> 01:22:31,020
the benefits of visualizing your goals

2069
01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:33,239
clearly and how floating can help

2070
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,420
lengthening the hypnagogic state

2071
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:38,880
the healing properties of water and

2072
01:22:43,310 --> 01:22:40,920
epsom salt in general

2073
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,320
the history of strategies used by big

2074
01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:45,600
Pharma when they want to fight dirty

2075
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:48,360
some resistance trouble and roadblocks

2076
01:22:54,649 --> 01:22:51,360
to wider adoption from the big machine

2077
01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:54,659
the benefits of ego Detachment reports

2078
01:22:59,870 --> 01:22:57,420
of triggering what's interpreted as womb

2079
01:23:03,950 --> 01:22:59,880
memories thoughts and considerations

2080
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:03,960
with tank design infrared panels CO2

2081
01:23:10,010 --> 01:23:07,260
modulation and the IMAX tank possibility

2082
01:23:12,830 --> 01:23:10,020
and Dr Feinstein's work with James

2083
01:23:16,010 --> 01:23:12,840
Nestor when James was writing the book

2084
01:23:18,649 --> 01:23:16,020
breathe which I have raved about before

2085
01:23:21,169 --> 01:23:18,659
all interesting stuff join Plus for a

2086
01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:21,179
second hour of every show eight bucks a

2087
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:23,340
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2088
01:23:29,149 --> 01:23:26,640
day free trial the higher sidechats.com

2089
01:23:32,930 --> 01:23:29,159
that said in higher side news how about

2090
01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:32,940
that pre-roll message huh the great THC

2091
01:23:38,270 --> 01:23:36,600
outline auction of 2023 is almost upon

2092
01:23:40,430 --> 01:23:38,280
us

2093
01:23:43,250 --> 01:23:40,440
I don't know what these are worth to

2094
01:23:45,950 --> 01:23:43,260
anyone or how high or low some of these

2095
01:23:47,689 --> 01:23:45,960
auctions might go but I know I'm not

2096
01:23:49,850 --> 01:23:47,699
going to raise the price of plus and

2097
01:23:51,530 --> 01:23:49,860
I've done all I can do to try to convert

2098
01:23:53,209 --> 01:23:51,540
more people to it

2099
01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:53,219
and I don't want to go down the ads

2100
01:23:58,370 --> 01:23:56,280
route though so many people have been

2101
01:24:01,130 --> 01:23:58,380
kind not to give me

2102
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:01,140
a lot of about even the prospect of

2103
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:03,540
doing it for the free show only of

2104
01:24:06,770 --> 01:24:04,560
course

2105
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:06,780
but the thought of auctioning off these

2106
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:09,120
outlines came to me and it feels a

2107
01:24:14,209 --> 01:24:11,520
little cringy to sign something and

2108
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,219
assume it's valuable to anyone

2109
01:24:18,530 --> 01:24:16,560
but my wife reminded me of the time I

2110
01:24:21,649 --> 01:24:18,540
got her a signed script from an episode

2111
01:24:23,570 --> 01:24:21,659
of The Office as a gift once and how I

2112
01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:23,580
have a set list from They Might Be

2113
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:27,060
Giants back in the day still framed

2114
01:24:31,550 --> 01:24:30,120
and so she made me feel less cringy

2115
01:24:33,770 --> 01:24:31,560
about it

2116
01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:33,780
besides I started looking into moving

2117
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:37,380
costs and got some serious sticker shock

2118
01:24:41,149 --> 01:24:39,960
I know gas is expensive but the moving

2119
01:24:43,130 --> 01:24:41,159
industry

2120
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,140
seems a little bit like a racket

2121
01:24:47,450 --> 01:24:45,120
surprise surprise

2122
01:24:50,990 --> 01:24:47,460
and I did Rip this Band-Aid off in the

2123
01:24:52,729 --> 01:24:51,000
joint session but we have settled on

2124
01:24:55,010 --> 01:24:52,739
Tampa Florida

2125
01:24:57,649 --> 01:24:55,020
that's right people it checks a majority

2126
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:57,659
of our boxes Florida is probably the

2127
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:00,480
largest concentration of family on both

2128
01:25:06,590 --> 01:25:03,600
sides more than Missouri even at this

2129
01:25:08,810 --> 01:25:06,600
point it's an income tax-free State we

2130
01:25:11,810 --> 01:25:08,820
avoid the harsh Winters they at least

2131
01:25:13,970 --> 01:25:11,820
have a medical dispensary system

2132
01:25:14,930 --> 01:25:13,980
and we have the whole East Coast to

2133
01:25:17,390 --> 01:25:14,940
explore

2134
01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:17,400
really the last part of the country that

2135
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:19,980
I'm largely ignorant of I think I've

2136
01:25:25,010 --> 01:25:22,260
covered the continental U.S a lot more

2137
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:25,020
than the vast majority of people

2138
01:25:29,689 --> 01:25:27,360
but everywhere on the east coast south

2139
01:25:32,209 --> 01:25:29,699
of Boston and north of Florida I've just

2140
01:25:35,090 --> 01:25:32,219
never really had a reason to visit

2141
01:25:37,130 --> 01:25:35,100
so yes I know Florida is humid I know

2142
01:25:39,709 --> 01:25:37,140
Bill Gates just released a shitload of

2143
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:39,719
GMO mosquitoes down there if it was a

2144
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,960
perfect place I'd be there already

2145
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,360
but after a lot of consideration the

2146
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:47,760
pros definitely seem to outweigh the

2147
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,159
cons as my wife and I see it

2148
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:52,560
so the fact that we finally settled on a

2149
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:53,760
place

2150
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:56,880
became the Catalyst for the wheels

2151
01:26:02,270 --> 01:25:59,040
turning as to how I could get a little

2152
01:26:05,390 --> 01:26:02,280
bit of uh extra cash in hand

2153
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:05,400
and thus the great THC outline auction

2154
01:26:12,410 --> 01:26:09,840
of 2023 was born if a THC outline is of

2155
01:26:14,990 --> 01:26:12,420
any interest to you pop on over to eBay

2156
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:15,000
and see what we got starting February

2157
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:16,800
1st

2158
01:26:21,709 --> 01:26:19,440
and I suppose that's all she wrote big

2159
01:26:24,050 --> 01:26:21,719
thanks again to our guests

2160
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:24,060
share this interview with anyone who

2161
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:25,199
might benefit from the information

2162
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:29,040
anyone in mental or physical pain or

2163
01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:30,480
exhaustion

2164
01:26:34,669 --> 01:26:32,820
the system certainly treats us bad

2165
01:26:36,649 --> 01:26:34,679
enough we could all treat ourselves a

2166
01:26:38,450 --> 01:26:36,659
little bit better thanks for listening

2167
01:26:41,090 --> 01:26:38,460
and I'll see you soon maybe in Mount

2168
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:41,100
Shasta if I'm lucky but I've done my

2169
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,380
part your move big Pharma faithful

2170
01:26:56,450 --> 01:26:46,320
stressed and unrested masses and Turners

2171
01:27:03,229 --> 01:27:00,530
process stuff that makes you fat

2172
01:27:05,470 --> 01:27:03,239
yeah it's a weak and sickly people

2173
01:27:08,330 --> 01:27:05,480
making industry

2174
01:27:22,570 --> 01:27:08,340
don't tell me

2175
01:27:22,580 --> 01:27:27,709
[Music]

2176
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:28,740
wrong

2177
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:38,880
[Music]

2178
01:27:44,030 --> 01:27:41,760
got an addiction to the digital

2179
01:27:47,090 --> 01:27:44,040
technology

2180
01:27:50,750 --> 01:27:47,100
every now and then I try to quit and

2181
01:27:54,740 --> 01:27:50,760
leave it be but it's too hard to turn it

2182
01:28:11,209 --> 01:28:00,990
[Music]

2183
01:28:39,850 --> 01:28:15,490
I don't have to face it that's right

2184
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:43,210
discipline is right

2185
01:29:03,290 --> 01:28:59,090
so many arms expanding off the big

2186
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:03,300
conspiracy and every one of them has got

2187
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:07,260
a couple hooks into me try to forget and

2188
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:11,040
I ignore but I'm just out of luck

2189
01:29:14,220 --> 01:29:12,540
I don't have

2190
01:29:22,850 --> 01:29:14,230
to have that